Gary Speed has died

[Lucky Toma]

For people to say we shouldn't speculate is ridiculous. It's human nature to want to know why a seemingly happy millionaire with wife and kids took his own life. I can't imagine how any parent could do something like this unless there was something incredibly serious going on. It has to be affair, abuse or illness related.

I don't think people are necessarily saying that speculation is wrong. I think people are suggesting that speculating upon the reasons for Gary Speed's death in what has turned into a RIP thread in the football section of BlueMoon to the passing of a widely-respected footballer possibly isnt the right place to air such idle speculation (and I say 'idle' because nobody, not even those closest to him, have the faintest idea at this stage what prompted Gary to do what he did).

Downstairs there is Off-Topic. Perhaps that is a more fitting place to speculate and air your conspiracy theories and let others simply pay their respects in here?

There is a time and a place for such things. Nobody is disputing the time. Many are disputing the place. You are normal people arent you? Your parents did instil in you the basic ability to determine right from wrong? Or are you this insensitive beyond the internet too?

 

[acquiesce]

For people to say we shouldn't speculate is ridiculous. It's human nature to want to know why a seemingly happy millionaire with wife and kids took his own life. I can't imagine how any parent could do something like this unless there was something incredibly serious going on. It has to be affair, abuse or illness related.

I don't think people are necessarily saying that speculation is wrong. I think people are suggesting that speculating upon the reasons for Gary Speed's death in what has turned into a RIP thread in the football section of BlueMoon to the passing of a widely-respected footballer possibly isnt the right place to air such idle speculation (and I say 'idle' because nobody, not even those closest to him, have the faintest idea at this stage what prompted Gary to do what he did).

Downstairs there is Off-Topic. Perhaps that is a more fitting place to speculate and air your conspiracy theories and let others simply pay their respects in here?

There is a time and a place for such things. Nobody is disputing the time. Many are disputing the place. You are normal people arent you? Your parents did instil in you the basic ability to determine right from wrong? Or are you this insensitive beyond the internet too?

Good post that

 

[ali benarbia's studs]

For people to say we shouldn't speculate is ridiculous. It's human nature to want to know why a seemingly happy millionaire with wife and kids took his own life. I can't imagine how any parent could do something like this unless there was something incredibly serious going on. It has to be affair, abuse or illness related.

I don't think people are necessarily saying that speculation is wrong. I think people are suggesting that speculating upon the reasons for Gary Speed's death in what has turned into a RIP thread in the football section of BlueMoon to the passing of a widely-respected footballer possibly isnt the right place to air such idle speculation (and I say 'idle' because nobody, not even those closest to him, have the faintest idea at this stage what prompted Gary to do what he did).

Downstairs there is Off-Topic. Perhaps that is a more fitting place to speculate and air your conspiracy theories and let others simply pay their respects in here?

There is a time and a place for such things. Nobody is disputing the time. Many are disputing the place. You are normal people arent you? Your parents did instil in you the basic ability to determine right from wrong? Or are you this insensitive beyond the internet too?

Good post that

great post that.... from a top guy!!!

 

[acquiesce]

If anyone's interested, the Welsh FA have set up an online Book of Remembrance for Gary here:

http://test.me-online.biz/

Some really touching stuff.

 

[Lucky Toma]

Boycott the first trashy shite newspaper that try's to tarnish Gary speeds reputation,(the tap blog) all fair minded football fans together show these tabloid wankers,That no one is interested in their trash and don't buy a newspaper that wants to ruin his reputation,

No way I'm not boycotting anything.

I want the truth to out. I believe in a free press and the freedom of information, good or bad. I don't believe the powers that be, Government, media, military whoever, should keep the public in the dark and hide things from us. That's not the kind of society I want to live in. Whatever the reason for the suicide, if the press know they should tell us because You can boycott what you if it's something bad then all the people weeping, wailing and leaving tributes are going to feel stupid. want but, thankfully, we live in a free country and many millions of people (including me) actually buy the press because we want to find out information, so why would we boycott them for doing exactly what we buy the paper for - INFORMING US OF THE LATEST NEWS!!

Speaking generally here, and not referring to any specific individuals, what would you classify as 'something bad'?
Could you please offer some examples of what you mean by this?

 

[lionheart]

No way I'm not boycotting anything. I want the truth to out. I believe in a free press and the freedom of information, good or bad. I don't believe the powers that be, Government, media, military whoever, should keep the public in the dark and hide things from us. That's not the kind of society I want to live in. Whatever the reason for the suicide, if the press know they should tell us...

Speaking generally here, and not referring to any specific individuals, what would you classify as 'something bad'? Could you please offer some examples of what you mean by this?

Maybe he is referring to what happened to the late cricketer and TV pundit, Peter Roebuck, who apparently jumped to his death from an upper floor hotel window in Cape Town because of his imminent questioning by Police over an alleged sexual assault on a Zimbabwean guy. Hopefully, Gary Speed won't be the subject of anything remotely similar, but something must have happened to cause him to take his own life, if indeed that is what happened. Maybe it was an unpaid gambling debt or blackmail attempt. Somebody must know something and the truth will surely come out in the end. Since he died, five professional players have evidently sought emotional help over depression related issues, so maybe it was just the pressure of being in the public domain, week in and week out.

 

[80s Shorts]

Boycott the first trashy shite newspaper that try's to tarnish Gary speeds reputation,(the tap blog) all fair minded football fans together show these tabloid wankers,That no one is interested in their trash and don't buy a newspaper that wants to ruin his reputation,

No way I'm not boycotting anything.

I want the truth to out. I believe in a free press and the freedom of information, good or bad. I don't believe the powers that be, Government, media, military whoever, should keep the public in the dark and hide things from us. That's not the kind of society I want to live in. Whatever the reason for the suicide, if the press know they should tell us because if it's something bad then all the people weeping, wailing and leaving tributes are going to feel stupid. You can boycott what you want but, thankfully, we live in a free country and many millions of people (including me) actually buy the press because we want to find out information, so why would we boycott them for doing exactly what we buy the paper for - INFORMING US OF THE LATEST NEWS!!

News and salacious gossip are totally different things tho.

 

[Blue2112]

Interesting reading the last few pages of this thread and some of the comments on why Gary Speed may have committed suicide and I'm referring more to the stress related issues. I believe we all work too hard, too many hours, too much burden and there simply is not enough time to relax, unwind and find quality time with your family and friends. How often do I say myself or hear others say to friends that ''we should get together for a drink/meal etc...'' and it never happens.

I've worked all my life, straight from school at 16 years of age and into a job. I stayed at the same company for 24 years until they sold up and I was made redundant. In that time I started at the bottom and worked my way up the ladder to a directorship level but without the directorship title and pay (the owner later apologised for never confirming the role and the benefits that went with it and offered me a position in a new business which I refused). The point is as I climbed the ladder the higher you go the more work and stress there is. The more responsibility you shoulder and the decisions you make can have major impacts upon the business and ultimately on people and their families. I accept it goes with the territory but I still think it takes its toll.

After I was made redundant everybody told me instantly how better I looked, how I smiled more and to be honest I felt it myslef. I then started my own business in a totally different area and five years on so far its been very successful. I loved it at first, I still do but it becomes a similar trap because the more customers you take on board the more problems come with it. The more successful you become the more work goes with it. I've found being self-employed far more difficult than being employed, its 24/7 at times and can be very lonely having to make every decision yourself and to be truthful after 29 years of non-stop work I can't wait to semi-retire. I'm three years off paying the mortgage and i'm already looking at a part exit plan. At times I find I lose patience more quickly if I have to listen to peoples trivial problems everyday. Thats not to say that if its warranted then I'm all ears. The phone never seems to stop ringing, texts, bbm's, emails etc...demanding more and more of your time.

I know loads of people who work too damn hard, too many hours and I can see its results, the years fly by and suddenly whats left. Nobody yet knows why Gary Speed at only 42 years of age decided to take his own life, whether it was pressure, stress related, depression or something more sinister we can only guess but tragically it's been allowed to happen.

 

[Deleted member 41424]

who uses newspapers for their latest news nowadays?
and if a paper does happen to throw out something that you haven't heard the story is usually embellished or simply lacking in fact. I'm done with newspapers.

 

[MCFCinUSA]

who uses newspapers for their latest news nowadays?
and if a paper does happen to throw out something that you haven't heard the story is usually embellished or simply lacking in fact. I'm done with newspapers.

that's right, I'm for burning books too!

these days we have YouTube, and Buzzer1 - and who needs anything else to get the heart and truth of the matter?

(journalists, ppfftt... who needs 'em? - we all know they're just sitting around on their arses relying on their fat free-for-all expense accounts, kicking back by the pools in tourist Meccas like Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia.. they should all get proper jobs and go mine electricity FFS)<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:51 pm --<br /><br />

Interesting reading the last few pages of this thread and some of the comments on why Gary Speed may have committed suicide and I'm referring more to the stress related issues. I believe we all work too hard, too many hours, too much burden and there simply is not enough time to relax, unwind and find quality time with your family and friends. How often do I say myself or hear others say to friends that ''we should get together for a drink/meal etc...'' and it never happens.

I've worked all my life, straight from school at 16 years of age and into a job. I stayed at the same company for 24 years until they sold up and I was made redundant. In that time I started at the bottom and worked my way up the ladder to a directorship level but without the directorship title and pay (the owner later apologised for never confirming the role and the benefits that went with it and offered me a position in a new business which I refused). The point is as I climbed the ladder the higher you go the more work and stress there is. The more responsibility you shoulder and the decisions you make can have major impacts upon the business and ultimately on people and their families. I accept it goes with the territory but I still think it takes its toll.

After I was made redundant everybody told me instantly how better I looked, how I smiled more and to be honest I felt it myslef. I then started my own business in a totally different area and five years on so far its been very successful. I loved it at first, I still do but it becomes a similar trap because the more customers you take on board the more problems come with it. The more successful you become the more work goes with it. I've found being self-employed far more difficult than being employed, its 24/7 at times and can be very lonely having to make every decision yourself and to be truthful after 29 years of non-stop work I can't wait to semi-retire. I'm three years off paying the mortgage and i'm already looking at a part exit plan. At times I find I lose patience more quickly if I have to listen to peoples trivial problems everyday. Thats not to say that if its warranted then I'm all ears. The phone never seems to stop ringing, texts, bbm's, emails etc...demanding more and more of your time.

I know loads of people who work too damn hard, too many hours and I can see its results, the years fly by and suddenly whats left. Nobody yet knows why Gary Speed at only 42 years of age decided to take his own life, whether it was pressure, stress related, depression or something more sinister we can only guess but tragically it's been allowed to happen.

Yes, and it's tragic for those people committing suicide it would seem they couldn't find another to talk to..

the fact that (so far) not one person seems to have any idea as to what was troubling Gary Speed so severely - and he was in the public domain and positively touched the lives of so many others, is perhaps one of the most distressing and hard to understand facets of this whole tragedy (his family that he left behind apart) and it speaks volumes about what you've just so eloquently touched on 2112.