Gary Speed has died

[dom]

I have nothing against Speed and of course I feel terrible for his family. But this is an opinion based forum and why should what you feel and think be the only one that is allowed or matters? My point is that for a man with no history of depression or mental illness, no financial worries, no personal or employment problems etc (all the usual reasons for suicide) there must be a reason. Every person who commits suicide does so for a reason, whether they are mentally ill or other reasons I've mentioned, often financial problems so until we know why Speed did it I personally am uncomfortable with Gary Speed being portrayed in such a positive way.

My personal view is that he killed himself, his choice. Suicide is not an accident or a terrible tragedy, it's a choice. That's MY view not yours, fine. We all have different views and are entitled to express them. I'm not silencing you so stop trying to silence me.

No one istrying to silence you mate but we get hopefully towards truth through close , repectful scrutiny of each other's arguements to try to develop ideas and move discussion on.

 

[Shadz69]

A friend of mine did this a couple of year's ago,married less than a year to the woman of his dream's, young kid,business booming,big house the car absolutely no money worries and hung himself in the garage.2 year's on and nobody is any the wiser as to why,sometime's there are none.R.I.P.Gary Speed.

 

[intheknow!]

I have nothing against Speed and of course I feel terrible for his family. But this is an opinion based forum and why should what you feel and think be the only one that is allowed or matters? My point is that for a man with no history of depression or mental illness, no financial worries, no personal or employment problems etc (all the usual reasons for suicide) there must be a reason. Every person who commits suicide does so for a reason, whether they are mentally ill or other reasons I've mentioned, often financial problems so until we know why Speed did it I personally am uncomfortable with Gary Speed being portrayed in such a positive way.

My personal view is that he killed himself, his choice. Suicide is not an accident or a terrible tragedy, it's a choice. That's MY view not yours, fine. We all have different views and are entitled to express them. I'm not silencing you so stop trying to silence me.

No one istrying to silence you mate but we get hopefully towards truth through close , repectful scrutiny of each other's arguements to try to develop ideas and move discussion on.

Hey, I written that in reply to a post from someone who was trying to silence me but the moderator has removed their post so now mine looks weird!!

I posted on here and then was busy for the rest of the day, come back and my post has been edited and someone called 'Lucky Tolma' post removed for threatening me? I'm non the wiser to what they posted, crazy!!

 

[Deleted member 41424]

i just can't understand the constant speculation. Why is there such a need to know why somebody commits suicide? If it comes out it comes out, if it doesn't it doesn't. Why sit on here, spouting hear-say and guessing? Lets just see what if anything comes up on an official report and you'll have the answer you desire. If not leave it alone.

 

[TFC]

As I cant get my head around someone so seemingly happy and successful taking his own life....I cant shake the notion AA might have had something to do with his death, 7am or not. Of course we will never know one way or the other.

Regardless, RIP Gary.

 

[cibaman]

maybe he`d made his mind up a few days beforehand and was his normal self because he was happy with his own decision..

they do say that people who decide to commit suicide and have made their mind up act quite normal and seem fine to friends and family,obviously nobody can tell what is going on in their head and the mental turmoil that`s eaten or had been eating away at them..

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On the face of it it seems more like a spur of the moment decision rather than planned. If he'd planned it, surely he would have done it somewhere else where there would be less chance of being disturbed?

But people do go to great lengths to hide their depression. I've just been reading Paul Lake's autobiography and one of the most poignant chapters is when he describes going to the Priory for psychotherapy. He was terrified of people, including at the club, finding out that he was having treatment for depression. He would routinely take a cheque with him in case someone recognised him, so he'd be able to wave it and say "just here to present a cheque"

 

[Santiago Street]

Good footballer and from all accounts a very decent man but I hope there won't be yet another tribute to him on Saturday at Eastlands, how many times is enough ffs ?

Speculation as to why he did it will forever remain just that.

As an aside, does anybody remember a scandal involving Gary and two "ladies of the night" in a Manchester hotel many years ago. I'm not 100% sure it was him and google throws up nothing but it may have been pre google.

 

[supa-dapa-dan]

Re: Re: Gary Speed has died

Good footballer and from all accounts a very decent man but I hope there won't be yet another tribute to him on Saturday at Eastlands, how many times is enough ffs ?

Speculation as to why he did it will forever remain just that.

As an aside, does anybody remember a scandal involving Gary and two "ladies of the night" in a Manchester hotel many years ago. I'm not 100% sure it was him and google throws up nothing but it may have been pre google.

You are correct it was him.I don't remember the details but it was Speed who was involved.

 

[mancity1]

If his wife and parents and closest friends have no idea why he would hang himself then I doubt the media will be to ascertain why with any degree of certainty.

Its not inconceivable that Gary himself couldn't rationalize it in the lead up to it.

Suicide is by and large unique to human behaviour.

Its been around since man first walked on this planet and will still occur long after the next footballer takes his or her own life.

As cynical and non rational as it sounds once we begin to understand that it is a natural part of human behaviour for some as is farting or crapping we may begin to understand how some humans rationalise it as something that they need to do.

Because of the sudden loss and the impact it has on those left behind to dwell on it , we personalise it , hence the sadness , distress and pain that many suffer as a result of someone else's actions that by and large they would not wish to happen as a consequence when they are no longer living and breathing.

As well as trying to come to terms with the why's , we have to try to come to terms with the why not's.

Simply put Gary lost his reason for living and responded accordingly , this could have happened suddenly or gradually over a period of time.

 

[Balti]

Good footballer and from all accounts a very decent man but I hope there won't be yet another tribute to him on Saturday at Eastlands, how many times is enough ffs ?

Speculation as to why he did it will forever remain just that.

As an aside, does anybody remember a scandal involving Gary and two "ladies of the night" in a Manchester hotel many years ago. I'm not 100% sure it was him and google throws up nothing but it may have been pre google.

You're right mate. Very sad. Enough is enough now though.

RIP.