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It won’t fix it but no harm in highlighting it especially when it seems to bring a lot of undercover racists to the fore with their booing.
I tend to agree, but when do you think it should / could stop? Racism will no doubt diminish over time, but like rape and murder the best we can hope for is to minimise it. So do we take the knee for 1,5,10,100 years or forever.
Unless we can honestly answer that question then I think we have just created another set of problems in our search for a solution. Racists and the far right will feed on this ideological weakness and twist it to serve their agenda
 
It won’t fix it but no harm in highlighting it especially when it seems to bring a lot of undercover racists to the fore with their booing.
So anyone that disagrees with the aims of blm is racist?
 
Is it keeping the topic in focus? People are discussing racism far more than Kick it out ever achieved.

also think it’s playing a small part in helping England, it creates a sense of unity between the players and hearing the boos getting drowned out by claps/cheers will help aswell.
 
So anyone that disagrees with the aims of blm is racist?
All racists will disagree with blm, which makes it easy to level the accusation of racism at at anyone else who disagrees with with blm. It's a slightly lazy but easy card to play if you want to shut people down and stifle debate.
 
also think it’s playing a small part in helping England, it creates a sense of unity between the players and hearing the boos getting drowned out by claps/cheers will help aswell.
You may be right, but I think for most, once the whistle goes, they’re focusing on the match. Only the outraged seem to continue to think about it.
 
ffs iv'e heard it all now,i suppose it's Englands fault, would you rather their teams were disbanded for a GB team. i dont think that would go down well, how many players playing for those 3 teams would get a look in

calm down sweetheart - stop having an attack of the vapours - I was simply questioning whether Englands progression will do anything for the other 3 nations given the general dislike in which they hold England
 
I tend to agree, but when do you think it should / could stop? Racism will no doubt diminish over time, but like rape and murder the best we can hope for is to minimise it. So do we take the knee for 1,5,10,100 years or forever.
Unless we can honestly answer that question then I think we have just created another set of problems in our search for a solution. Racists and the far right will feed on this ideological weakness and twist it to serve their agenda

I think certain people (the racists, bigots and those leaning towards the far right) just want it to go away.
But not go away in an ''we've eradicated racism'' way, but more a 'swept under the rug' type go away.
A return of the status quo, if you will.

I think every sane person knows that footballers kneeling isn't gonna stop racism, and in truth trying to stop racism is likely, and very sadly, impossible in most of our lifetimes. It's just something you have to hope will subside over time, with every generation doing their bit to stamp it out.

What the kneeling does do, is it keeps an important topic on the agenda. The last 12 months involving kneeling has probably done more to keep the problem in the spotlight than Kick It Out has done in however many years they have been around.

I saw an interview with Sterling yesterday, and he talked about the importance of having difficult conversations.
If some footballers taking a knee for a few seconds makes someone feel uncomfortable then I don't think that's a bad thing.
For a select few, it's making them uncomfortable enough to boo, so at least it's easy to spot the bigots.

The footballers could sack off the kneeling for next season and I'm sure many won't be fussed either way. If they wanna keep doing it then great, and if they wanna knock it on the head that's also fine.

Whatever happens, I think it has sent out a powerful message over the recent months, and it's great to see footballers more empowered to speak out and confront issues that selected people are happy to turn a blind eye to.
After that infamous Chelsea game a couple of years back when Sterling called out the media (IE the odious Sun and Mail) for fuelling racism, that felt like an important marker was set down. All too often footballers get criticised for being airheads or living in their own little rich world, yet here was one of our own taking the fight to the tabloids and it was fantastic to see.

If this whole kneeling thing (regardless of when it ends) inspires another generation of footballers/supporters/people to be more socially aware, to feel like they can call things out, then I think it has been a success, and if it pisses off a few racists on the way then all the better.
 
calm down sweetheart - stop having an attack of the vapours - I was simply questioning whether Englands progression will do anything for the other 3 nations given the general dislike in which they hold England
Fucks given about international football are fucks wasted IMHO. I quite like the idea of a GB team and if it helps dial down home nation jingoism and sectarianism then I'm all for it.
 
All racists will disagree with blm, which makes it easy to level the accusation of racism at at anyone else who disagrees with with blm. It's a slightly lazy but easy card to play if you want to shut people down and stifle debate.
Welcome to culture war world.
 
All racists will disagree with blm, which makes it easy to level the accusation of racism at at anyone else who disagrees with with blm. It's a slightly lazy but easy card to play if you want to shut people down and stifle debate.

Is that so?

What grander purpose does your obfuscation and whataboutism serve if it doesn't perpetuate racism?
 
Is that so?

What grander purpose does your obfuscation and whataboutism serve if it doesn't perpetuate racism?
Shove your labels up your arse mate - no idea what those words mean. I simply have no fucks available for either the knee or the racists. England support has generally been a pretty embarrassing thing over the years, and racism is just one of those things they turn their hand to. For me the england players can spend 90 minutes taking the knee while the idiots boo and flip a coin at the end to decide the match result. Hope that helps - I'm not really seeking to change anyone's mind tbh.
 
Shove your labels up your arse mate - no idea what those words mean. I simply have no fucks available for either the knee or the racists. England support has generally been a pretty embarrassing thing over the years, and racism is just one of those things they turn their hand to. For me the england players can spend 90 minutes taking the knee while the idiots boo and flip a coin at the end to decide the match result. Hope that helps - I'm not really seeking to change anyone's mind tbh.

With regard to...."Hope that helps"

The answer is no.

Oh, and as for...."I'm not really seeking to change anyone's mind"

That's just as well as it's clear you don't know your own.
 
No, although to be fair most of them are down Wetherspoons in the evenings.
whats wrong with wetherspoons, most people on this thread spend their time telling people what to watch,what to read and what to think, now you pitch up telling us where to drink in a snidy patronising roundabout way
 
whats wrong with wetherspoons, most people on this thread spend their time telling people what to watch,what to read and what to think, now you pitch up telling us where to drink in a snidy patronising roundabout way

I went into one once. I came out a racist bigot for a good thirty minutes afterwards.

Luckily, it was temporary.
 

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