Just because some people don't see the appeal of Rayner doesn't mean you are going to convince them by pointing out your perceived inadequacies of her opponents. Fwiw I don't think Rayner comes across that well at times, she definitely lacks diplomacy skills which are pretty essential to be a skilled political operator. Unless she learns these quickly, I cant see her lasting in the cabinet for long.I really like her. She’s brave and has made the most of herself. I think she’s funny too. She’s not hugely bright, but neither was Truss. Difference is Rayner knows her limits. I hugely respect her.
Thought the sight of a Winchester educated **** who stole off the country in 2008 who has an Eton educated Foreign Secretary, a Lord, who conned the taxpayer out of tens of thousands to both pay for the upkeep up some wisteria at the front of his Oxfordshire constituency home, and to build his wanking shed in his back garden, pontificating like that, truly appalling.
Attacking a working class girl like that because she might have misdirected a couple of grand was absolutely reprehensible.
Fucking rat faced ****.
I recall Alaistair Darling negotiating Goodwins pension of £600k a year at our expense. When in reality he should have been sacked for bringing RBS down with debts of billions.You might want to read up a bit around the staggering failures around the regulation of RBS, and how the Labour government presided over this, which of course had nothing to do with Fred Goodwin being a regular Chequers at the time.
Don’t misrepresent what I’ve saud about Truss, who is a perfectly adequate benchmark in the context of the reference I made: her limited intelligence. They are both of limited intelligence, but Truss actually believes otherwise. Maybe you think she doesn’t, and recognises she’s a bit stupid.
It’s absolutely relevant when they pontificate about others who haven’t been as fortunate as them. I’ve had an extremely fortunate upbringing and I’m always conscious how lucky that makes me and how it’s given me an advantage over others in life, and I always try to be conscious of it. Sunak manifestly does not and that speaks to his character. So completely relevant.
Not quite sure how you can be less relevant than being of no relevance; can you be negatively relevant? His relevance to the causes of what happened with RBS didn’t stop the **** making this country poorer. I couldn’t do a job like that, whatever they paid me. Fucking parasites. The fact he did, makes him a **** in my eyes.
A rat faced one
Disagree with you regarding the class thing. Sounds a bit patronising in fact.Don’t misrepresent what I’ve saud about Truss, who is a perfectly adequate benchmark in the context of the reference I made: her limited intelligence. They are both of limited intelligence, but Truss actually believes otherwise. Maybe you think she doesn’t, and recognises she’s a bit stupid.
It’s absolutely relevant when they pontificate about others who haven’t been as fortunate as them. I’ve had an extremely fortunate upbringing and I’m always conscious how lucky that makes me and how it’s given me an advantage over others in life, and I always try to be conscious of it. Sunak manifestly does not and that speaks to his character. So completely relevant.
Not quite sure how you can be less relevant than being of no relevance; can you be negatively relevant? His relevance to the causes of what happened with RBS didn’t stop the **** making this country poorer. I couldn’t do a job like that, whatever they paid me. Fucking parasites. The fact he did, makes him a **** in my eyes.
A rat faced one.
We shall have to dissagree on that then.Yes. I believe at least 15% of the population are racist. It's probably closer to a 3rd.
If they aren't voting reform for their racist policies, they are fools. Many of them are racist fools.
There are three blokes I work with who are going to vote Reform, they blame everything on immigrants, and believe Labour will tax them a lot more. Two of them are contractors and say Reform is the only party to pledge to remove ir35. All of them to varying degrees are racist.Just playing devils advocate for a minute, its an interesting idea that everyone who votes reform is a racist. I don't believe for one minute that 15% of the population are racist, do you believe that? There's surely more to it as to why people are choosing reform.
Just playing devils advocate for a minute, its an interesting idea that everyone who votes reform is a racist. I don't believe for one minute that 15% of the population are racist, do you believe that? There's surely more to it as to why people are choosing reform.
I supose that this depends to a degree on whether you judge everyone who thinks that the UK is allowing too many immigrants in is a racist? Do you think that?There are three blokes I work with who are going to vote Reform, they blame everything on immigrants, and believe Labour will tax them a lot more. Two of them are contractors and say Reform is the only party to pledge to remove ir35. All of them to varying degrees are racist.
Quite right. The Labour government knew in 2005 that RBS were running crazy levels of wholesale funding and that much of it was overnight, and yet they did nothing about it. In fact they actively courted the likes of Goodwin, culminating as you say in his in golden pay-off.I recall Alaistair Darling negotiating Goodwins pension of £600k a year at our expense. When in reality he should have been sacked for bringing RBS down with debts of billions.
Just playing devils advocate for a minute, its an interesting idea that everyone who votes reform is a racist. I don't believe for one minute that 15% of the population are racist, do you believe that? There's surely more to it as to why people are choosing reform.
You would only need to spend half an hour in their company to come to the same conclusion I have.I supose that this depends to a degree on whether you judge everyone who thinks that the UK is allowing too many immigrants in is a racist? Do you think that?
Selective highlighting, to be sure, but the same was also true of Truss. Both probably appeal more to the tribal elements of their parties than to the middle ground electorate.Just because some people don't see the appeal of Rayner doesn't mean you are going to convince them by pointing out your perceived inadequacies of her opponents. Fwiw I don't think Rayner comes across that well at times, she definitely lacks diplomacy skills which are pretty essential to be a skilled political operator. Unless she learns these quickly, I cant see her lasting in the cabinet for long.
A lot of people are too thick to realise that Farage is a grifter who has profited from the stupidity of the people who have lent him their support over the years. His overt anti-foreigner rhetoric is carefully chosen to appeal to the latent racist instincts of a significant proportion of the population. Hopefully not a big enough proportion to win his party of misfits and fascists any seats.Just playing devils advocate for a minute, its an interesting idea that everyone who votes reform is a racist. I don't believe for one minute that 15% of the population are racist, do you believe that? There's surely more to it as to why people are choosing reform.
I certainly believe a large percentage are.I supose that this depends to a degree on whether you judge everyone who thinks that the UK is allowing too many immigrants in is a racist? Do you think that?
Truss is history what has she got to do with discussing Rayner?Selective highlighting, to be sure, but the same was also true of Truss. Both probably appeal more to the tribal elements of their parties than to the middle ground electorate.
Living in Essex with a black wife and black in-laws, 15% seems fairly realistic. I think people would be genuinely shocked by the attitudes of a sizeable chunk of the population. I know I was.
Let’s be honest, if you're white, you haven’t really got a clue because you never see it or experience it. I was admittedly entirely ignorant to it myself before I met my wife and was firmly in the “racism isn’t really a thing in this country” camp.
I’m not claiming it’s worse than other countries, mind. It is definitely better than Portugal, probably Spain and Italy too. That doesn’t mean it’s not a thing.
That said, I actually do agree with you, there’s more behind the Reform vote than just simple racism. It’s a whole counter-culture that is basically nostalgia goggles for a segment of the population that thinks the British Empire was all really great and had no problems and we should go back to it.
I sense that both might be more popular with their party faithful. Maybe I'm wrong.Truss is history what has she got to do with discussing Rayner?
People think Rayner is thick because of diction, which has noticeably improved over the years. She’s a lot smarter than many more well spoken MPs who went to better schools.
I’m not trying to persuade anyone of anything. I like her, and I’ve particularised why. I accept others won’t for perfectly valid reasons.Just because some people don't see the appeal of Rayner doesn't mean you are going to convince them by pointing out your perceived inadequacies of her opponents. Fwiw I don't think Rayner comes across that well at times, she definitely lacks diplomacy skills which are pretty essential to be a skilled political operator. Unless she learns these quickly, I cant see her lasting in the cabinet for long.
Had a staff member tell me yesterday that he’s voting reform. When I asked why he said to keep the immigrants out. When I pointed out the 2 other staff stood next to him were from Portugal and Spain and wouldn’t be welcome under reform he told meJust playing devils advocate for a minute, it’s an interesting idea that everyone who votes reform is a racist. I don't believe for one minute that 15% of the population are racist, do you believe that? There's surely more to it as to why people are choosing reform.