General Election - December 12th, 2019

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We're not constantly fishing in the same pond at all. Anyone can go into politics and anyone can excel in it and become PM. The reality is, having the confidence from a young age, to stand up and be heard, is rare. It's much more developed in pupils at schools where such attributes are valued, nurtured and encouraged. All of my friends with kids in private schools say it is the confidence it gives them which is the most inspiring thing.

We should be looking for ways to develop more schools and more kids like this, not nobbling the ones we already have. It's yet another policy of bitterness and envy from the Labour party you seem so desperate to support. As once a Tory voter??? Yeah right.

Develop more Etons?

Do you really think that it's the quality of teaching, or perhaps an excellent pastoral system which sets it apart?

There's another reason, and it's the same reason most people send their kids to Private Schools...

 

[HelloCity]

Of course you have. I should have recognised it from your erudite arguments. Silly me.

BTW, sorry to hear there's vulnerable clients in the financial services sector. I thought they were all fat cat hedge fund tax dodging spongers. Must be tough living off food banks whilst homeless and trying to run a pesky hedge fund.

This quote is very apt for yourself:

 

[Bluemanc100]

It's always been a left-leaning forum, and always will be. The right just tend to shout louder and longer, boring opponents into submission, giving them a disproportionate voice on here ;)

let us know when we’re no longer welcome Ric... I assume you believe that the forum is left leaning because the north has tended to associate itself with socialism... it may always will but the cracks are showing at present

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

No, I never wonder about it because it's entirely obvious. Rich and successful people tend - as a generalisation - to be clever and have some drive about them, which surprisingly enough often rubs off on their kids. And when those kids go to schools such as Eton, who's raison d'etre is to exploit those kids' potential to its fullest - not only in academic terms but also in developing their confidence and leadership skills - that these kids often go on to hold senior positions across all walks of society. It would be strange and paradoxical were this not the case! What or earth are the fees for otherwise!

And then when you throw in a load of tradition and trust - based on a history of plenty of previous kids following the same path - it's also entirely unsurprising that political leaders tend to come from the same pool.

Now is it "desirable"? No, but it's not particularly undesirable either. How much sleep do you lose over it? I lose none. That our PM went to Eton and Oxford? I could not care less.

Rich and successful people are clever and have drive? They then pass on their gene pool to the next generation of innately clever and driven little people who go on and replicate society in their own image? Meanwhile, children born into poor families are - as a generalisation obviously- thick and lazy? How lucky we are that the toffs are in charge and that people like you know your place.

 

[Ric]

let us know when we’re no longer welcome Ric... I assume the forum is left leaning because the north has tended to associate itself with socialism... it May always will but the cracks are showing at present

Manchester has always been a Labour stronghold, and the majority of our users are Manchester based. It shouldn't really come as a surprise that the forum is left leaning as a result.

 

[Chippy_boy]

This quote is very apt for yourself:

It doesn't make it any less nonsense now matter how big you write it.

I know of no-one who regards anyone earning £7.83 per hour as being "the problem". It's a ludicrous suggestion.

 

[Coatigan]

I am not suggesting the Tories do, other than perhaps concerns over brexit and immigration.

the Tories are for aspirational middle class, low tax people, predominately in the south. Always have been. Clear

That’s not the point I was talking about the hypocrisy of labour, this current labour lot could not give a shit about people in the north . Not a shit. They come up and pretend they do when there is an election and it’s sad people never hold them to account and just lazily vote labour cos they have all their life as did their dad.

they know they will get these lazy votes to carry on their ideological dream about turning the country into a communist state, with London the new Moscow.

if they don’t they will visit again in 5 years time pretending to hear their concerns and represent them.

How no(t)? not arguing, genuine question.
Putting aside they are the opposition and not the government, which makes both our points a bit moot, do they pass different laws for the north? do they distribute budgets disproportionally? no they concentrate more of these immigrants to specific areas? do they build less schools or houses? do they field no representation or candidates? Is this transvestite in islington you mention different from one in wigan, are there none in the north?

i don't get your rhetoric. I've heard farage exploit it, convince people they are 'forgotten' by the 'elites' but i don't see how that is possible by a widespread party. so please, do tell, im genuinely interested what being 'forgotten, and not given a shit about' means.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Manchester has always been a Labour stronghold, and the majority of our users are Manchester based. It shouldn't really come as a surprise that the forum is left leaning as a result.

I get it... I’m from Manchester believe it or not...

 

[Chippy_boy]

Rich and successful people are clever and have drive? They then pass on their gene pool to the next generation of innately clever and driven little people who go on and replicate society in their own image? Meanwhile, children born into poor families are - as a generalisation obviously- thick and lazy? How lucky we are that the toffs are in charge and that people like you know your place.

The unfortunate truth mate is that there's two things which do have a bearing on a child's intelligence. Nature and nurture. Clever, engaged parents tend to produce clever kids. Thick, uninterested parents tend not to. Sorry but you really will just have to get over that.

I know it sucks, and i know its the done thing to tell your kids they can achieve anything they want. But if little Johnny is a fat pudding with dumpy legs, telling him he can be the next Usain Bolt is just a lie. That's how this genetics thing works.

 

[mcfc1632]

To be honest, although I am a Remainer - I voted Remain, campaigned passionately for Remain and still think Brexit is a daft idea - I think so long as we get a free trade deal (and I genuinely believe we will) then the impact from Brexit will be minor. Barely noticed by most people, for whom life will continue pretty much as it is now.

I do not think that is the same if Labour were to get in. I think most people in this country, within a couple of years would be deeply regretting letting Corbyn and McDonnell in. And the lasting damage after 5 years once we got rid of them, would take another 10 (again) to get us back to where we are now. Perhaps longer.

This absolutely makes sense - and gets to the heart of things

….apart from why you were so passionate about being much more alarmist about Brexit in 2016/17