General Election - December 12th, 2019

[HelloCity]

I don't find them disgusting. I recognise that the painful cuts were a symptom of austerity, and respectfully I suggest you might consider that too?

I happen to think austerity was needed and I respect your view if you think that it was not. But whether you do you don't, that is a bit irrelevant in that it was what people voted for in 2010, again in 2015 and to an extent in 2017. It's not as if evil tories sprang this on everyone. It was very very clear in commitments they made that we needed to get the deficit down and that painful choices would be needed. And people voted for this. So blame the voters for that, not the Tories.

I can’t and won’t accept that because I find it quite simple to see through the lies of propaganda.

Various other great European countries went through the same financial crash we did and austerity wasn’t their answer. That’s because austerity is a choice and not a need.

This government has brought the country to its knees over the last decade. Homeless levels are at their worst since the 80’s (coincidence alert), the treatment of the windrush generation was a complete human rights violation, the UN now says our country has major human rights issues, crime is rising due to police cuts, psychiatric doctors have been cut massively which leads to more damaged people roaming our streets, universal credit is leading to starving children, people who even have jobs are resorting to food backs. Oh and the leader of the party causing all this shit now just so happens to be a racist bastard as well.

Ditch the ‘I’m all right Jack’ attitude, wake up and stop voting for more of this farce.

 

[Coatigan]

There's difference between 150+ one click votes to the 20-30 contributors on here.

But these results might just send a little warning to those that believe the Cons will walk this election that:
1- 16m voted remain
2- whilst Corbyn might not be popular many of his policies are and for millions on the breadline he is the only one that offers hope
3- 560,000 members - the biggest party membership in Europe - will bring the greatest ground game ever seen in the UK
4- We're already seeing huge swathes of 18-24 year olds registering to vote in record numbers, a theme continued from 2017


There's gonna be a huge surprise in this GE to many people and it's not going to be a big Tory majority.

I doubt it. But let's hope so.

 

[mat]

 

[BobKowalski]

We're not constantly fishing in the same pond at all. Anyone can go into politics and anyone can excel in it and become PM. The reality is, having the confidence from a young age, to stand up and be heard, is rare. It's much more developed in pupils at schools where such attributes are valued, nurtured and encouraged. All of my friends with kids in private schools say it is the confidence it gives them which is the most inspiring thing.

We should be looking for ways to develop more schools and more kids like this, not nobbling the ones we already have. It's yet another policy of bitterness and envy from the Labour party you seem so desperate to support. As once a Tory voter??? Yeah right.

We should. But we don’t. So we end up fishing in the same pond with a third of British post war PM’s coming from one school. Either that school lucked out, even in comparison with other private schools, or there is an inherent bias tipping the scales.

And again not a Labour supporter. Didn’t vote Labour last time and won’t be voting Labour this time. I subscribe to no political party as it leads to political blindness and a willingness to sacrifice belief in what is right for the unthinking mantra of the party line. I look forward to you reading extracts from the Conservative manifesto in future replies. Just as Labour supporters will do the same :)

 

[Chippy_boy]

I can’t and won’t accept that because I find it quite simple to see through the lies of propaganda.

Various other great European countries went through the same financial crash we did and austerity wasn’t their answer. That’s because austerity is a choice and not a need.

This government has brought the country to its knees over the last decade. Homeless levels are at their worst since the 80’s (coincidence alert), the treatment of the windrush generation was a complete human rights violation, the UN now says our country has major human rights issues, crime is rising due to police cuts, psychiatric doctors have been cut massively which leads to more damaged people roaming our streets, universal credit is leading to starving children, people who even have jobs are resorting to food backs. Oh and the leader of the party causing all this shit now just so happens to be a racist bastard as well.

Ditch the ‘I’m all right Jack’ attitude, wake up and stop voting for more of this farce.

And around the loop we go again. Do I just repeat what I've said and then you repeat your stuff until one of us dies? Is that how it works?

I've told you I don't accept this. My position is that austerity was necessary and anyway, the public voted for it. We were harder hit than other EU countries because - due to our dependence upon financial services, we were further up shit creek than they were. Gosh, we've had police cuts, thanks for reminding me, I hadn't noticed. Etc.

But I get that you are poor and want some freebies off other people, really I do. That's the "moral high ground" for you lot it seems.

 

[Coatigan]

I think tactical voting is going to be the key to resolving this crisis; otherwise, a small Convervative majority is likely (even with the Brexit party splitting the Brexit vote, it's still only a two-way split), as opposed to a 3 or some cases 4-way split amongst Remain voters.

I was talking to my Dad about it last night. He has pretty much always voted Conservative and also voted for Brexit; he told me he will vote for Lib Dem because he has huge regrets and wants Article 50 revoked. Lib Dems are the only viable challenge to Nadine Dorrie's safe seat where he lives. I believe there are many other 'Regrexiteers' who could have a huge say in this election - IF they vote tactically.

Personally I don't agree with this election at all. Elections should be about broader issues, not single issues; this election is soley about Brexit and that feels wrong. But we're kind of in this situation because the Remain movement is, on a governance and autority level at least, an absolute shambles (the people-led movement is fantastic and suspiciously played down in the media). The Remain camapign during the refrendum was, frankly, shit, and now the parties are still squabling amongst themselves. If they just got their shit togtehr and collaborated I think we could get ourselves out of this mess through a second refrendum and without the need for another GE.

Spot on.

 

[HelloCity]

But I get that you are poor and want some freebies off other people, really I do. That's the "moral high ground" for you lot it seems.

I’ve got a masters degree and work within the financial services helping vulnerable clients.

Thanks for letting the mask slip and showing your true colours though.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’ve got a masters degree and work within the financial services helping vulnerable clients.

That’s for letting the mask slip and showing your true colours though.

Of course you have. I should have recognised it from your erudite arguments. Silly me.

BTW, sorry to hear there's vulnerable clients in the financial services sector. I thought they were all fat cat hedge fund tax dodging spongers. Must be tough living off food banks whilst homeless and trying to run a pesky hedge fund.

 

[blueinsa]

I’ve got a masters degree and work within the financial services helping vulnerable clients.

Thanks for letting the mask slip and showing your true colours though.

My mum had fuck all and spent a few years doing similar for the CAB.

Congrats on your masters degree though.

 

[Ric]

There has been discussion on these threads over the last year or so over whether the forum generally is distinctly (hard) left-leaning or not.

I guess this poll puts that debate to bed now

That the number of posters declaring that they will vote for this Labour party - with Corbyn and McDonnell at the helm - is almost as many as the other 6 options combined speaks clearly about the views that have been obvious anyway across all the threads. I just wonder though why this has been denied in the past - is it nothing to be ashamed of surely?

It's always been a left-leaning forum, and always will be. The right just tend to shout louder and longer, boring opponents into submission, giving them a disproportionate voice on here ;)