General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%
  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%
  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%
  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%
  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%

  • Total voters
    518
We pay for it but we don't get told how or whether we can use it.

I have a German car but the Germans don't tell me when or where I can drive.



Not true either, it is independent and the PM makes the decision (something Corbyn refuses to do).

If that is compromised and the PM can't decide then the sub captain follows the orders from the PM that are locked in the safe on the sub.
A lot of country's seem to get by just fine without nuclear weapons ? What makes Britain so special ?
 
That is not true at all.

There are some issues regarding the conventional arms manufactured in the States that are on the F35 Lightning 2 I believe that have caused some raised eyebrows but to say they have any say on if and when we would deploy nuclear weapons is wrong.

We are of course members of NATO and so in effect our nuclear weapons are at their disposal to a degree of course so in that respect the Yanks are likely to have some input in some circumstances but on that basis so will Albania!

All circumstances not just some. The idea that we would be using Trident without the consent of the US or our allies is a non starter. It is also why Trident is an irrelevance. If we are using Trident as part of a wider nuclear conflict then we are fucked. If there is a wider nuclear conflict and we didn’t have Trident we are also fucked.

No matter what we are fucked. So what’s the point of Trident?
 
If we were attacked or in order to prevent an attack.

It's on a submarine for a reason and that is why it is called a deterrent and not a weapon.
If we were attacked, then it wasn’t a deterrent. On your second point, presumably you’d support every country that wants them having them, for the same reason?
 
Thats the idea of having them...never to use them. Nuclear weapons are not the ideal thing to have lying around the planet but they have done a good job of keeping the worlds super powers from resorting to fisticuffs to resolve any differences. Mutually assured destruction certainly seems to keep the politicians in check.

The concept of MAD I don’t have an issue with. The issue is with the U.K. having a deterrence. It’s pointless. We are not a superpower. Trident is a vanity project.
 
The fact the Brexit hard-liners are supporting Boris' deal is definitely helpful IMO. It means that only those Leavers not listening to any reasoned argument will vote for Farage. He's increasingly marginalised as a bit of a crank who just objects to everything. And whilst there's quite a few unthinking Farage supporters, it's a lesser number than had the Tory right wing been throwing rocks at Boris as well.
Just heard Bone on the radio saying he supports Boris because Boris told him if we haven't agreed a deal by next December we'll leave with no deal. Don't believe Boris would myself so Bone is being misled IMO.
 
Farage is about to reveal his 650 strong army of candidates - all braver than he - who will be standing in this GE for the BP Ltd. All of whom will have paid £100 to the party to be given the right to be considered as a candidate. I wonder - will the unsuccessful ones get a refund? Will any journalist dare ask?


One of whom is an Australian ... another who is an ex employee of Cambridge Analytica


YCMIU
 
A lot of country's seem to get by just fine without nuclear weapons ? What makes Britain so special ?

Every NATO country has them because the US, UK or France has to protect them with theirs.

US nukes are stationed in Europe for this reason.

If we were attacked, then it wasn’t a deterrent. On your second point, presumably you’d support every country that wants them having them, for the same reason?

The number of attacks the UK has had proves the point of it.

They also pose a useful blackmail tool which Ukraine and states like Georgia can attest to.
 

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