General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Cheesy]

Labour exploring plans to ban private jets from UK airports.

Fuckers! How the hell am I meant to get back into the country from my holidays?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Vic this cancelling of Trident is the kind of insanity that keep Corbyn well and truly out of number 10. To even consider giving up our nuclear weapons in todays world is absolute lunacy.

That we keep seeing and hearing about it confirms that, it is indeed, insanity, even Corbyn can't bring himself to say
he'd outright ban it, just that we'd have it, but under no circumstances use it. Which makes about as much sense as getting
a deal that basically keeps us in the single market and customs union, ie; remain, then campaign against it.
Having a deterrent that you've just announced to the world you won't use is like having an army that just uses sticks and shouts 'Bang.'

 

[BobKowalski]

I think you are simply wrong Bob. You have an opinion based on your own speculations and so do others, with equally valid opinions. Your just restating your position endlessly does not make it correct.

However, if we adopt the position you favour, and you are wrong then the consequences could be incalculable. If we adopt my position and I am wrong, no harm is done.

Well if you are wrong then Trident failed to act as a deterrent in which case the consequences could also be incalculable or did I miss something?

In any event this election will not turn on Trident. We don’t agree. Time to move on.

 

[BobKowalski]

That we keep seeing and hearing about it confirms that, it is indeed, insanity, even Corbyn can't bring himself to say
he'd outright ban it, just that we'd have it, but under no circumstances use it. Which makes about as much sense as getting
a deal that basically keeps us in the single market and customs union, ie; remain, then campaign against it.
Having a deterrent that you've just announced to the world you won't use is like having an army that just uses sticks and shouts 'Bang.'

It isn’t the same. Not having it means it will never be used as there is nothing to use. Saying you won’t use it under any circumstances just means you won’t use it at the time of speaking. It is not a guarantee of how someone will react in an actual crisis or when weapons have already been used.

No PM really knows how they will react.

 

[bluethrunthru]

And Cummings agrees

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Labour exploring plans to ban private jets from UK airports.

Fuckers! How the hell am I meant to get back into the country from my holidays?

Really, is that true?
They are now becoming the party of envy and spite, if so.
Next will be all luxury cars scrapped, and everyone forced to drive Trabants converted to electricity.

 

[bronco]

Wrong, wrong and just plain wrong again.

I think several posters have proved the opposite ? Or if you prefer ...the plain opposite ??

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It isn’t the same. Not having it means it will never be used as there is nothing to use. Saying you won’t use it under any circumstances just means you won’t use it at the time of speaking. It is not a guarantee of how someone will react in an actual crisis or when weapons have already been used.

No PM really knows how they will react.

That sounds like garbled nonsense to me, to be honest.

 

[inbetween]

But doesn't it rely on American GPRS? .and if we exit the Eu we will not be able to use Galileo .... and just what happens if the Americans say no ?

It won't matter because the missiles don't use GPS, the missiles have their own guidance system.

In a fast moving, constantly escalating crisis where the use of nuclear weapons is becoming likely the idea that a letter written months ago is the basis of a Captain’s decision is not reassuring.

Seriously can we stop playing fantasy ‘Submarine Commander’ and get back to reality?

The letters are written to tell the sub what to do in the event that there is no chain of command. The whole point of it sums up the credibility of a deterrent in that we can defend ourselves and retaliate even if the PM and/or our entire defence is wiped out.

If we don't want them then fine but then our entire defence from nuclear blackmail amounts to reliance on the US or parachuting Corbyn in for 'surrender' talks.

We can't rely on US protection so that leaves us with Corbyn aka Mr negotiator who is actually known for his talk with terrorists and dodgy individuals.

I'd rather have a nuke to be honest.

 

[blueinsa]

It won't matter because the missiles don't use GPS, the missiles have their own guidance system.

State of the art, nuclear weapons costing £Billions running on the same tech that your smart watch or car sat nav uses is funny as fuck.

Is the reason Labour wants to get rid of Trident they dont have a fucking clue what it actually is?