General Election - December 12th, 2019

[bronco]

I'm not saying I trust Boris or the Tories either. It is pathetic that they are perhaps the only option and I'm almost contemplating not to bother voting.

I can understand why people might vote Tory on Brexit but for everything else the Tories are the protest vote against this Labour.

In better news, our ex-MP became the speaker yesterday (I still live in the constituency next door), he'll do really well and represents the kind of people in Labour that I could vote for.

Hoyle is probably closer to corbyns ideology than Blair's ? He voted against Blair many times in parliament .

 

[Ban-jani]

There is no Conservative thinking. At its heart there is a sucking black hole. Johnson has even taken to writing an open letter to Corbyn asking what his Brexit policy is. Perhaps Johnson is looking for ideas for the Conservative manifesto. I look at Conservatives and Conservatism and all I see is dead people.

You’re mistaking me attributing the Conservative party to conservatism there. There’s nothing wrong with many aspects of conservativism but there’s a lot wrong with the party.

 

[Ban-jani]

I'm afraid for me the Tories always bring to mind Oscar Wilde's definition of a cynic - someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

The Tories haven’t been proper Conservatives for a long time.

 

[Cheesy]

There are a few of us that have voted Tory in the past and now see the present version for what they are. They used to be a pretty broad based party rather than this cabal of right wing nut jobs.

There are a few of us that have voted Labour in the past and now see the present version for what they are. They used to be a pretty broad based party rather than this cabal of left wing nut jobs.

 

[Ban-jani]

There are a few of us that have voted Labour in the past and now see the present version for what they are. They used to be a pretty broad based party rather than this cabal of left wing nut jobs.

...And here I am, stuck in the middle with you.

 

[Gray]

Well if you think Scotland and N.I are regions..

Hi this might be of interest to you, if you like to look at facts and figures as I do.
https://www.electoralcommission.org...-referendum/results-and-turnout-eu-referendum

 

[Chippy_boy]

I'm afraid for me the Tories always bring to mind Oscar Wilde's definition of a cynic - someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

As opposed to Labour, who don't care about the price of anything because "someone else" will pay for it.

 

[inbetween]

Hoyle is probably closer to corbyns ideology than Blair's ? He voted against Blair many times in parliament .

I'm not really interested in that, he is a nice bloke and I've met him once when he came to visit my old company. He is the kind of person you could vote for regardless of where he stands on the spectrum.

He has done good things for Chorley and represents the town well, Chorley does well and there are rich areas so you'd expect it to be Tory but it isn't.

My current constituency is split by a town of Labour voters and a richer Tory voting area. In comparison you can tell where our Tory MP spends most of her time and I've never seen her doing anything to be honest.

 

[Chippy_boy]

There are a few of us that have voted Tory in the past and now see the present version for what they are. They used to be a pretty broad based party rather than this cabal of right wing nut jobs.

There's a few hard right MPs for sure but most are not. Not that I regard wanting to see accelerated growth in GDP, public services and prosperity, brought about by less government interference, lower taxes and a more pro business agenda, as being particularly "nutty".

 

[Gray]

As ever, data can be manipulated to form an argument.

The reality is that it’s still close to 50/50.

Yes you can manipulate data, I do not disagree. So here goes - when you take the referendum results based on Parliamentary Constituencies then the result comes out at 63% Leave and 37% Remain.

As we always form our Government from these Constituencies then we should also do Brexit along the same lines, do you agree? Of course you don't and that is fine as fortunately we live in a Democracy where we can all have our different opinions.

I will tell you one thing though when the Lib-Dem representatives come knocking on my door they will get it with both barrels, as I suspect they do not have the information to hand that I do. They have only jumped on the remain bandwagon as they see it as their best way to increase the Party's Westminster numbers.