General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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CityStu said:
Granted, it's not their first choice but it's very feasible for them to rank it:
1) Remain
2) Hard Brexit
3) Soft Brexit
and thus favour Hard Brexit as the better option once Remain is taken off the table.

These Remainers are a pragmatic bunch who respect the result of the referendum and don't feel like a half in, half out membership is in the UK's best interests. I suspect many of them will be happy to vote Conservative in the upcoming election.
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That's an interesting interpretation.

It seems inconceivable to me that someone completely opposed to Brexit should prefer a hard Brexit to one that preserves some of what you were hoping to retain.
 
Chippy_boy said:
That's an interesting interpretation.

It seems inconceivable to me that someone completely opposed to Brexit should prefer a hard Brexit to one that preserves some of what you were hoping to retain.
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Many Remainers weren't completely opposed to Brexit. I'd imagine the majority thought that Leave had very valid points about sovereignty and immigration but got cold feet over the possible negative effect on the economy.

Soft Brexit would essentially be keeping forms of freedom of movement and ECJ rule, so it's understandable that some Remainers would prefer a complete separation, if we are to split.
 
So we get the same tired promises about 'Tax Avoiding' companies, who are down for funding this juvenile wish
list. For as long as I can remember, both Tories and Labour have tried to tackle this, but if the company has registered
offices abroad, it falls at the first hurdle. Cue wailing and gnashing of teeth about capitalist bastards, then the constant
failure to make any changes whatsoever gradually makes the effort involved less and less promising, and it gets binned
until the next election.
Labour have anticipated this, so have thrown in 'The Rich' into the mix, plus established companies are down for yet
more taxation, via increased corporation tax. There is never any plan on wealth creation, all their focus is on grabbing
what they can off the ones who have created it.
Which is why they're massively behind in the polls.
 
brass neck said:
But The Tories are so " Strong and Stable" the nobs!

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Whenever I hear "Strong and stable" it brings an image to my mind...

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CityStu said:
How would you have proposed the government not make cuts and not increase the national debt?
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The Tories have trebled the national debt mate. How come you can ignore that fact? They haven't invested enough in the economy for growth and until we do the ability to reduce that debt through growth is impossible.

The Tories have always been the party of increasing debt, but, there's nothing to see. Fucking unbelievable selective retention on this thread from Tories.
 
Magicpole said:
The Tories have trebled the national debt mate. How come you can ignore that fact? They haven't invested enough in the economy for growth and until we do the ability to reduce that debt through growth is impossible.

The Tories have always been the party of increasing debt, but, there's nothing to see. Fucking unbelievable selective retention on this thread from Tories.
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I worry about the deficit more than the debt.

I'd rather be traveling at 200mph and be able to apply the break than at 100mph and unable to take my foot off the accelerator.

And as I've said, the ideal situation would have been to spend and invest throughout the recession. However, to do that we'd have had to build a surplus through the previous years of growth. Labour's cockiness (the end of boom and bust!) has had massive enduring effects.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Facts are that Tax and Spend Theresa just blanks the answer to the tax and NI question and the Pensions Triple Lock break up. Plus they are being FORCED to reveal the plan for pollution reduction before the election. The proposal being trailed in the press - ie softener for likely blow - is another scrappage scheme paid for by the taxes.

Do you really think taxpayers and pensioners will be happy with that?

personally I do not want any of my taxes going to diesel car owners to replace old cars for new ones - if anybody should get £2k of my tax for a new car its me - I paid the money in after all.

Sorry mate but Tax and Spend Theresa claims to lead the party of low taxation but wants to take OUR money - go figure.

Just to clarify Labour have never claimed to be the party of low taxation - Labour have already confirmed they think the tax take will rise and be paid for by big business and the richest - no hiding and no pretence that somehow preparing to raise taxes, NI and take money off pensioners somehow marks you out as the party of low taxation
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The triple lock on pensions needs breaking, it is going to cripple any future government.
 
Southbanken said:
The triple lock on pensions needs breaking, it is going to cripple any future government.
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Given the nation is facing difficult years ahead and it is not known at this point - perhaps not for a couple of years - just what decisions will be necessary, it is only sensible to keep options open and not make policy statements that can become hostages to fortune.

It does not mean that the government will need to reduce pensions / increase taxes - they just need to reserve the position where they can take the necessary actions as the need arises.

Perhaps we can achieve a position of stability where we can start to address the debt.
 
inbetween said:
You can say the Tories created the Brexit problem but the people were asked and they voted to leave, that has nothing to do with the Tory party.

Obviously the poor and vulnerable need more help and protection and that is the one thing I cannot stand about the Tories but the answer is not Corbyn's gang. I don't want any of those things but I'm not willing to vote to impose a socialist government which will be at the expense of everyone.

If we had a centrist opposition which would do the above whilst retaining a careful approach to the economy, business, defence and everything else... They would absolutely wipe the floor of the clowns currently on both sides.

So the Tories have my vote purely because there is no other choice and it will finally get rid of the idiotic, self serving momentum mob currently running down Labour. Vote for Labour and it will lead to deselection of the current PLP hence preserving his position and allowing the Tories to do whatever they want for a decade.
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The Tories created the Brexit problem or opportunity.
If it hadn't have been for them there would not have been a referendum.
 
CityStu said:
I worry about the deficit more than the debt.

I'd rather be traveling at 200mph and be able to apply the break than at 100mph and unable to take my foot off the accelerator.

And as I've said, the ideal situation would have been to spend and invest throughout the recession. However, to do that we'd have had to build a surplus through the previous years of growth. Labour's cockiness (the end of boom and bust!) has had massive enduring effects.
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You should worry about deficit and debt equally.
With low interest rates the government can afford to pay the interest on the debt, but interest rates won't always be low and then it becomes a problem.
Of course had the Tories met their commitment to eliminate the deficit by 2015, then national debt would have been about 1.3 tn and decreasing ( as opposed to 1.7tn and rising).
Crashing the economy in 2012 didn't help with resultant reduction in tax revenues and need to carry on borrowing to 'kick start' the economy. Nor does Brexit ( caused by the err........Tories).
Oh sorry just read your last paragraph, it was of course all the fault of the previous Labour government.
 
Magicpole said:
The Tories have trebled the national debt mate. How come you can ignore that fact? They haven't invested enough in the economy for growth and until we do the ability to reduce that debt through growth is impossible.

The Tories have always been the party of increasing debt, but, there's nothing to see. Fucking unbelievable selective retention on this thread from Tories.
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I don't think they've trebled it mate ( yet).
It was 0.9tn when Labour left office in 2010, it now stands at 1.7tn and will probably reach 2tn in the next few years with their mañana deficit reduction policy.
Nevertheless due to clever spin by the Tories and their friends in the media they are perceived as the party that is most competent in running the economy. This is not true, they are incompetent at managing the economy for the many but they excel at managing it for the wealthy and powerful few.
Hence their current failure to eliminate the deficit as they promised and the astronomical level of national debt at 1.7tn are just treated as mere inconvenient facts which if mentioned at all are blamed on the previous Labour administration ( and the one before that in the seventies if you care to listen to some the old right wing farts on here).
 
I know my forthright opinions on the Tories are offensive to some and I'm sorry for you if they are! My political standpoint isn't as partisan as it seems to be honest. My thoughts on things are best summed up by Mark Blyth and Steve Keen. But as a side note I do generally think Tories are pretty disgraceful people. This is a good listen for people of all political colours. A good summery of where we're at how we got there.

 
CityStu said:
Many Remainers weren't completely opposed to Brexit. I'd imagine the majority thought that Leave had very valid points about sovereignty and immigration but got cold feet over the possible negative effect on the economy.

Soft Brexit would essentially be keeping forms of freedom of movement and ECJ rule, so it's understandable that some Remainers would prefer a complete separation, if we are to split.
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I think you are mistaken if you believe the number of people thinking as you suggest is anything other than trivially small. It's patently clear that the vast majority of those opposed to Brexit in the first place are not suddenly going to decide they prefer a hard Brexit over one that preserves some of the things that they voted Remain to preserve.

But who cares. You may be right, or not. Not worth arguing about.
 
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I worry about the levels of private debt as opposed to public. Any government has guaranteed income in taxation, public debt ebbs and flows. We've been hoodwinked into thinking the current position is catastrophic as a way to impose ridiculous school boy economic strategy in the form of austerity which is a ruse to transfer public money into private hands and nothing more. Economys need patients a steady hand and investment. Starving them is like turning the air con off. It's the levels of private debt that is alarming.
 
Hmmm Tusk saying the UK Trade deal is not a priority in Brexit - they want to sort out people and money first....... a Tory MP steps down after saying homosexuality was wrong and dangerous ( somewhat worser than Farrons views methinks ) UK growth slows dramatically to 0.3% - Tax and Spend Theresa called this vote before things went South and she was found out - with her pollution fix to be published ( taxes on diesel and tax payers money to subsidise the car industry whilst the "polluters" get scrappage on their old cars ) and MP's and party officials facing electoral spending fraud changes any day soon I think this vote cannot come early enough for her.
 
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