General Election June 8th

[CityStu]

The Van is a metphor - our biggest exports are financial and professional services and our biggest firms operate throughout the EU with big offices in London.

Your right with subsidiaries in the EU but what you fail to grasp is that the trade, the workers and taxes payable etc would all transition out of the UK and to the EU. As you say many companies already have such structures and brexit will just incentivise more of it, bigger operations in the EU and small UK operations. Car plants might remian in the UK for now but you can bet the next big car plants will be anywhere but the UK.

I don't think the bold was much different when we were in the EU. Plenty of car manufacturing shifted from the UK to other EU (and even non-EU) countries.

 

[Zuriblue]

 

[Esox Blue]

Voting Tory for the first time ever. Have voted at every election since 1970. Left Labour in 2010 after the Brown disaster and the introduction of all women shortlists. Doesn't matter where I live, put a red rosette on a pig and it would get a vote.

 

[@BluePhil8]

Well. Michael Fallon on Sunday said he would press the red button thus ending the world. The Tories have set about pushing the disabled to the edge! Some have killed themselves some have been killed. Tories kill the disabled!

You sound rabid.

The point of nuclear weapons is to act as a deterrent. Your enemies must think you are crazy enough to use them first.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory

'Hate hate hate'... the left lose all credibility when they resort to emotion instead of politics. Ironically the only people who are filled with hate are the people calling other blues 'tory cunts' etc.

 

[GortonBlue62]

It is the Government's own definition - the Tories you want to sell out by voting for.

I see you can't back up anything on the Manchester claims so use the word obfuscate to veil that you were clearly wrong and go on about the UK as a whole.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Have conscience and vote labour.

I have a conscience and a heart and a brain in my head and hope in my heart and I'm voting Conservative.

 

[GortonBlue62]

If we crash out with no transition ( or implementation) phase to implement WTO rules then the resulting meltdown to our economy would make a Corbyn led government look like a picnic.
Movement to WTO on phased and planned basis would still be scary. The treasury estimate prior to the referendum was a 7.5% drop in GDP. Despite 'project fear' it doesn't seem unreasonable ( at least in the short term) and surprisingly the Government have not sought to confirm, deny or recalculate. I would still prefer a Corbyn led government to this scenario.
On the wider point of Jez getting elected. His policies are ok, would it really make much difference if he got in? Look what happened with the last three 'electable' PMs prior to the Christian - Cameron ( chaos of the EU ref as an attempt to solve Tory differences), Brown ( financial crisis, unregulated banks), Blair (Iraq). Who knows what will happen with the 'competent' reMAYner, lorries queuing from Dover to Leeds and economy in lockdown?

Apparently if we had the temerity to leave the European Union and re-establish democracy in our country, then the very next day our economy would implode.

Surprise surprise the British establishment, the IMF, the POTUS and the EU were all 'overstating things' (to say the least).

There will probably (but not definitely) be a small short lived period of economic pain. A price worth paying for gaining control of the people we elect to parliament.

 

[Metal Biker]

That was a party political broadcast by the angry twats party.

It's hard to say no to their "pro nuclear apocalypse" angle.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It's hard to say no to their "pro nuclear apocalypse" angle.

I don't think I'll ever get over being hoodwinked.

 

[Metal Biker]

I don't think I'll ever get over being hoodwinked.

That's because we're all stupid and easily mislead.

 

[Metal Biker]

I've seen this being posed around a lot by my Labour voting 'friends' under the sentiment that 'Tory Voters are stupid'.



Labour voters need to learn that calling others stupid as a method to garner their support or influence their voting decision tends to make people take the opposing view. It's why the left is struggling, why Labour is haemorhagging support from the undecideds and why their viewpoint lost the public support in the EU referendum.

I'm fed up with hearing them tell us why they think the Tories are bad, I want to know why they think the Labour party will be the better choice without mentioning the NHS. They seem to think it's Labour's raison d'etre. How will Labour make Brexit a success that delivers on what the leave voters wanted? How will Labour appeal to the centre right? Trident, armed forces spending, grammar schools, how will Labour address these elements of debate that many people in this country support?

So far nothing has been said. It's just "Oh well those voters who supports those incentives are just evil people, so we don't care for their support". I'm just told to fear the Conservatives because, and here's the key reason, they think they are bad. Labour introduced the Minimum Wage that saw workers being exploited and my wages go down. Conservatives introduced a Living Wage that saw my wages go up. I've been a Labour voter for years and I can't bring myself to vote for Labour given the direction they are going, not because I think Corbyn is out of his depth. Nice guy, but seemingly naive about the world.

Labour; a party created for giving working people a say in Parliament, now concentrates more on "social" issues rather than workers rights (some people want zero hours contracts guys! It helps give us the flexibility to study for university, do other jobs, care for others at home, or pursue other interests without being tied by contractual obligations of "working the minimum contracted hours stated" and not be at risk of losing our current employment), unemployment benefits not being "enough" for people when benefits aren't supposed to be for that purpose, and if you don't agree with them, you're stupid, a basket of deplorable attitudes, 'turkey's voting for Christmas'. Labour used to be the voice of equality now it seeks to divide the country into right think and wrong think people.