George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Why would wind make contraction less likely? Surely the opposite is true, your breath and saliva travel further on a windy day than on a still day

isn't the logic that the virus can linger in still air as it floats down to the ground but gets pushed to the floor when there's circulation as it's heavier?

 

[blueinsa]

I can’t believe people are saying they’ve lost all respect for the movement after the scenes in London. It was a small minority of people being violent, and the other protests around the country including Manchester were peaceful. It’s almost like these people are looking for a reason not to support the movement.

Respect and support the movement and cause.

Completely disagree with mass protest breaking social distancing rules during a pandemic.

Violent, piggy backing agitators should be arrested and thrown in prison.

 

[purplenose]

And whilst I get that, it was a really windy day from what I could tell.

Surely lessens chances of contraction even more?

Sorry mate as you know there is still not enough known about Covid. It is quite possible 1000s could die as a result of the weekends events. Hopefully not but it is quite possible.

The cause has shot itself in the foot and also been hijacked by the far left, and militants, its not only very stupid but very sad.

 

[BigOscar]

It also travels in multiple directions depending on the strength of wind.

A bit like cig smoke.

Yes, so one person in the middle of a big crowd will now potentially infect more people, in all directions due to the wind, rather than just the person nearby and in front of them?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

And whilst I get that, it was a really windy day from what I could tell.

Surely lessens chances of contraction even more?

Maybe so, but no excuse. Not just a poke at protesters btw, I'm equally grumpy about the behaviour on beaches and in parks in the last few weeks and the occasional tit in the supermarket that thinks they are too busy and important to keep to the 2m rule.

 

[inbetween]

They are not been sent out as cannon fodder and they are equipped. Where the officers went wrong was instead of a controlled retreat facing the crowd they ‘legged it’ which, like it or not, triggers the crowd to pursue. A controlled retreat is still managing the crowd. Legging it isn’t.

Sending in tooled up police with helmets and shields will provoke an instant ‘fight or flight’ response from the crowd. They fight, there will be casualties, they leg it and often the police will chase, discipline breaks down and there will be casualties. When you are hyped up you will chase a fleeing opponent. Training can check that instinct. Often it doesn’t.

The failure in this instance is allowing a handful of officers to become isolated and the officers showing their backs (which to be fair is understandable) but it goes against their training and further encourages the crowd.

So basically they shouldn't run away but they can't fight back so they'll just have to accept their failure and take a kicking?

Also they can't wear protective gear because they might make the angry mob even more angry....

My suggestion is why not just send the police home instead and not bother with having them?

They clearly aren't allowed to use force or be tooled up to enforce the law so what are they there to do?

 

[Withnail]

Outside of the usual left wing rent-a-mob I'd say any sympathy with the aims of the protests has largely disappeared.

They always confuse bodies on the street with popular support. Last year's anti Brexit matches being another prime example.

Those individuals who committed any crimes need to be prosecuted, however, I think you will find the vast majority of protesters behaved themselves.

 

[Tb1981]

So basically they shouldn't run away but they can't fight back so they'll just have to accept their failure and take a kicking?

Also they can't wear protective gear because they might make the angry mob even more angry....

My suggestion is why not just send the police home instead and not bother with having them?

They clearly aren't allowed to use force or be tooled up to enforce the law so what are they there to do?

Clearly bob is taking shit again

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Those individuals who committed any crimes need to be prosecuted, however, I think you will find the vast majority of protesters behaved themselves.

I'm sure they did but the sight of missiles being thrown at the police & the fact that a female officer has been seriously injured has disgusted millions of people. Add to that the idiot trying to burn the flag at the Cenotaph and, like I say, any sympathy has largely evaporated.

 

[Tb1981]

Outside of the usual left wing rent-a-mob I'd say any sympathy with the aims of the protests has largely disappeared.

They always confuse bodies on the street with popular support. Last year's anti Brexit matches being another prime example.

Problem is that 50% of the people on these protests are the same people each time so numbers look great but overall most people are at home trying to avoid contact with others

 

[Nellies left peg]

isn't the logic that the virus can linger in still air as it floats down to the ground but gets pushed to the floor when there's circulation as it's heavier?

That's probably why they laid and knelt down to ensure infection

 

[HelloCity]

Emotional

 

[Ardwick Green Blue]

Problem is that 50% of the people on these protests are the same people each time so numbers look great but overall most people are at home trying to avoid contact with others

Exactly. The same people if it's anti Brexit, Stop The War, anti Israel etc etc. All with mass produced Socialist Worker banners.

It doesn't equate to popular support.

 

[purplenose]

Those individuals who committed any crimes need to be prosecuted, however, I think you will find the vast majority of protesters behaved themselves.

If behaving is risking the lives of thousands perhaps. In my book it most certainly is not.

 

[Metal Biker]

Outside of the usual left wing rent-a-mob I'd say any sympathy with the aims of the protests has largely disappeared.

They always confuse bodies on the street with popular support. Last year's anti Brexit matches being another prime example.

Just as it did with Eric Garner. First people were disgusted by the actions of the US police. Then people protested. Then people became violent. Then the message changed from one of "justice" to one of "burn the West!"

Outsiders and casual observers withdrew their support of the movement and the protests became seen as violent disruption, so the protests subsided until it became an occasionally posted hashtag. Looks like the exact same thing will happen again; an honourable cause hijacked by activists with an alterior motive that wil ultimately hinder progress rather than promote it.

 

[stonerblue]

So just because Cummings broke the rules so should everyone else? What sense does that make? Surely protesting in a group of thousands of people will put out t risk more than Cummings did?
Sort of a 'dominic Cummings broke the rules, in response I'm going to put my life at risk, that'll teach 'em' sort of thing.
And certain they will be the ones moaning loudest about 'why is it taking so long for me to be treated here... is it cos I'd black'... at hospital.

what a dick.

 

[BobKowalski]

So basically they shouldn't run away but they can't fight back so they'll just have to accept their failure and take a kicking?

Also they can't wear protective gear because they might make the angry mob even more angry....

My suggestion is why not just send the police home instead and not bother with having them?

They clearly aren't allowed to use force or be tooled up to enforce the law so what are they there to do?

How they will respond is determined by the orders of the day and how they intend to police the protest. If you send in tooled up police equipped to fight you will get a fight. If you intend to police the protest with a minimum of disruption then you approach it without combat gear. Faceless police in combat gear is designed to be threatening and people when threatened react.

If you try and kettle the protest or squeeze it you will get conflict. If you allow it move naturally under police management then you won’t.

What you guys seem to want is the police to crack skulls when someone gets out of order irrespective of whether that is the best thing to do or not. If you think the entire purpose of the police is voided ‘if they are not able to use force or be tooled up’ then congratulations you are part of the problem.

This thread is now the ‘I’m upset about people being murdered by the police but I’m enraged that the police are running away and not beating the shit out of people’.

Didn’t take long.

 

[Tb1981]

Exactly. The same people if it's anti Brexit, Stop The War, anti Israel etc etc. All with mass produced Socialist Worker banners.

It doesn't equate to popular support.

If they had new banners they made thensices it would help
But mass produced and handed out at each rally

It’s similar in America
I personally can’t stand trump but it’s clear he has an awful lot of support
Just not in media or celebs

 

[Chippy_boy]

Black lives matter, but apparently the lives of the extra thousands of elderly who will die as a result of these morons' actions, do not.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Black lives matter, but apparently the lives of the extra thousands of elderly who will die as a result of these morons' actions, do not.

nah mate, a day at the beach is way more importanter