George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

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Ric said:
Sometimes sitting on the fence isn’t an option.
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
You could also ascribe those broad sentiments to Pablo Escobar, who, like Colston, was responsible for huge quantities of human suffering.
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I wouldn’t support a statue of him in Bristol either.

Both men were cunts of the highest order and will be burning in hell, if there is one.

Just wanted to give an account of why he was liked enough to receive a statue at the time.
 
Ric said:
Sometimes sitting on the fence isn’t an option.
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Like when someone disagrees with you? I see.

My apologies to all who have disagreed with me today, for my clear inability to fall in line with the general consensus.

Unfortunately, I have a pair of bollocks and am quite happy to go against the grain if I believe I have a case.

But clearly Bluemoon isn’t the place to do that today. Indeed, it’s even being endorsed by its owner and moderator.

Back to normal tomorrow.

Hopefully ;-)
 
Ban-jani said:
I agree with everything you’ve said but it’s worth just saying that the statue was erected due to him building hospitals with his money and mass charity work.

He was actually considered a big philanthropist at the time, which shows how fucked up societal norms and views were during the slave trade.

None of that work excuses his business, I would say he’s definitely a deeply immoral human figure but it’s important to understand the whole story with him.

The statue shouldn’t be there for such a man today but throwing it in a river isn’t helpful, stick it in a museum and educate visitors on how bad slavery was.
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good to have you back. One of the balanced ones on here
 
Proy said:
Non are personal insults.

You should focus on sorting out the one I’ve just reported.
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Are you able to acknowledge why the vast majority of the world believe that race was an element in Floyd’s murder?

Even if you believe that race wasn’t a motivating factor in the murder, the fact it was recorded and sent round the world makes people react. Most have been angry, whilst you have gone for perceived pragmatism, which has come across as ambivalent, which is probably why so many people have asked you to quantify your view, but you declined for hours, which is either ambivalence or arrogance.

Police brutality is a big issue in the states for everyone; manifestly so for black people over there.

When people are already pent up with anger about how they have been treated, watching a video where a cop casually murders someone without any form of remorse, it was always likely to produce a backlash. Pandemic or no pandemic.

Ultimately, whether you or anyone believes it was or wasn’t racially motivated is irrelevant. The vast majority have decided it was and have acted according to their belief.

What has your believing it wasn’t racially motivated achieved? Not much.

Why say what you have today and not being willing to debate it achieved? Attention for you, but little else.
 
Proy said:
It should be protested about. Black or white. It was absolutely casual murder.

But all lives matter. Not just black ones.
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When people say BLM, they are't trying to position black lives above everyone elses', they're demanding that black lives are given equal value by police, and the media, and the government. Because currently they aren't.

Responding to BLM with All Lives Matter is like a fat fuck complaining that people campaign to give food to starving children in Africa, because "All people get hungry".

You ain't starving. If you're white, you don't need to protest about your life mattering because the entire world already treats you like it does.

No one told women's suffrage movement that them saying "give women the vote" was sexist because everyone should vote. Because you'd need to be an idiot to say it.


This is incredibly obvious to 90% of people immediately, and most of the other 10% pick it up within a few minutes of reading the coverage of the protest.

So now, 13 days into this wave of protests, and about 8 years into the BLM movement, you should know that the majority of people wailing on about "all lives matter" are racists who are trying to delegitimise or derail the movement.

So don't throw yourself in with them. It's not a crowd to be associated with.
 
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Proy said:
Tell me what the bullshit is. Quantify that statement. I’dont care for who you are when you make a statement like that.

Fill your power trip ric, I’ve disagreed with the majority and that now constitutes ‘bullshit’

Fuck of man
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If you go to insult the boss do it properly as you might not get another go !
 
Ban-jani said:
I wouldn’t support a statue of him in Bristol either.

Both men were cunts of the highest order and will be burning in hell, if there is one.

Just wanted to give an account of why he was liked enough to receive a statue at the time.
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I’ve no real issue with the statue being built at the time. People clearly thought about the source of his wealth less assiduously at the time it was erected.

Life moves on.
 
Proy said:
Like when someone disagrees with you? I see.

My apologies to all who have disagreed with me today, for my clear inability to fall in line with the general consensus.

Unfortunately, I have a pair of bollocks and am quite happy to go against the grain if I believe I have a case.

But clearly Bluemoon isn’t the place to do that today. Indeed, it’s even being endorsed by its owner and moderator.

Back to normal tomorrow.

Hopefully ;-)
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Plenty of people disagree with me on here on a daily basis. It’s absolutely fine, of course. You must’ve noticed that no-one seems to be agreeing with you on this though? Don’t know if you’re just woefully out of touch with public sentiment, or if you’re just being contrary for the sake of it, but either way I maintain that it’s a pretty odd take.
 
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