George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

As I understand it, 'defund the police' is badly worded. Sure there are people who support abolishing the police outright, but most of the people who I've seen argue in favour of defunding the police really mean diverting some of their budget to people who are better able to deal with particular issues. So when there's a person clearly having a mental health episode, you send a mental health expert, rather than cops who have maybe a few days training on the subject. And that isn't to say you don't send them with a couple of cops too, but just that a couple of cops with guns isn't the only thing you send to a volatile situation, and they follow the lead of someone who better knows what they're doing. The problem is, of course, that a lot of the things that could be funded instead take a lot longer to implement and see the results of. There needs to be some overlap where you fund the police properly (properly, not to the extent that they can buy military equipment they don't need) and fund other services properly to the point that the police become less necessary. But the reality is that the US police are some of the best-funded public organisations in the world and their crime rate is still ridiculously high by the standards of most developed countries. So there clearly comes a point where you have to accept that you're throwing good money after bad.
You've made a few cogent points here and I appreciate that:

1) As you've noted, even when you send the right personel to deal with the issue (i.e a mental health episode) you still have to accompany them with the police. Most don't appreciate this point.

But relatedly, often these issues are not separate and distinct. A person suffering from a mental health episode often also is the one wielding a knife or a weapon. That's often how the police got involved in the first place.

For the record, a lot of talk about diverting Police fund is misguided. Like I've noted and cited previously, the national average for police funding is about 4% of yearly expenditure. And in the major Cities it could be as high as 10%. In New York City for example it's a bit below 7%.

Generally speaking, it's a fallacy that the police are over-funded. The claims of militarization is also overblown. By and large, most military grade equipment the police forces acquires are often leftovers or excesses from a bloated national military budget and these excesses as given to police forces as gifts or sold to polices forces at nominal fees.

Not to mention that gear seldom comes out expect during riots and hostile situations such as kidnappings or hostage situations. To focus on them as reasons to defund the police' is often misguided.



Here are some facts about the issue, police use of force is extremely rare... Lethal force is used in about 0.003% of all arrest cases. In 2018 police made and estimated 10.3 million arrests and discharged their weapons a total of around 3044 times.

So it helps to have a clear understanding of what the problem we are attempting to solve is. We are trying to reduce on a .003% problem.

Btw, the level of police violence has dropped over 90% in the last 30 years. Yet the rally cries to defund has continued to get louder in the face of those facts

California ( one if the strongholds of the defund ) had its 19 year low of police violence in 2019... You wouldn't know this if all you listen to are the defunders.

Again, like most people I am pro reform:

Universal database that tracks police weapon discharge events.

National database on officer reprimands and decommissions

Universal Bodycam turned at every incident of contact with the public

Rethinking Qualified Immunity. Albeit this is a tougher one

I'd even support de- Militarizing (just to change the narrative). It's not like they use these tanks and weapons really

But no matter what changes are made one has to be conversant that it's likely that the improvements will NOT stop those who have a political motive, and they'd simply find the outlier, and use it as the basis of their next uproar.
 
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Just imagine.................you are the only blak guy at work and someone leaves you a noose in your garage - FFS

But then everyone lets you use the microwave first at lunch time and Ricky Gervais stops by to say hello so it's all good.

Oh! This was sarcasm by the way taking the analogy that bit further. Find the person who left the noose and charge him. Don't just push the guys car to the front of the grid and wheel out Richard Petty to shake his hand.
 
Don't just push the guys car to the front of the grid and wheel out Richard Petty to shake his hand.

So his friends and fellow competitors want to stand in solidarity but you think thats inappropriate? Interesting POV. Maybe the knee and the fist in the air before City games isn't the done thing either? What do you think and more importantly why? Solidarity in a cause is important.
 
So his friends and fellow competitors want to stand in solidarity but you think thats inappropriate? Interesting POV. Maybe the knee and the fist in the air before City games isn't the done thing either? What do you think and more importantly why? Solidarity in a cause is important.

I'm sorry, that's what you took from that post? I suggest you read it again. The "Don't just" part of the post is the important bit.
 

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