George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

[Dax777]

Yeah, I'm really not interested at the point where they're wrestling Blake. I'm interested in how the situation started; whether conversations were had or assumptions made.

If he's there to break up a fight, how did it reach its conclusion?

I'll let you answer that.

Cheers.

There was a warrant out for his arrest for sexual misconduct with a minor. What role that played in this in interaction, I don't know. But what is undeniable, is that he had absolutely no intentions of complying.

He was tackled, tased, and had guns pulled on him. But non of that stopped him.

I have noticed a lot of people like you are showing severe disinterest in the relevant questions.

But even if you don't know the above. Even if he was a monk, when a guy with guns drawn on him decides, "nah I just need to get to my car and ignore these idiots"*** Again, I ask you the same question you like to avoid like the plaque, what should they have done?



'***' Not a real quote.

Same here, I dont know what anyone else would have done in that situation, blood pumping, suspect possibly reaching for a gun, people screaming all around, you'd have to be superhuman to make sensible decisions n that situation. I do feel for the police and some of these people criticising them just dont know what it is like, they say do this do that as if it is easy.

But to me it's the police training, they seem to be trained to get their guns out at the merest possibility of personal injury, there's no inbetween, no consideration of any other course of action. Tasers, shoot once maybe (Not the 3 then 4 more times they did in this case), the training seems to be if you shoot you have to kill.

One thing that did strike me in that video was the fear from those surraounding, it was almost as if they knew there would be shooting

Police may need better training. But it would have been of no use in this situation or any situation involving a suspect who is determined to be non compliant.

Generally speaking, non-complying suspects tend to comprise about 95% of suspects who kill cops.

So as a cop, the moment someone becomes consistently non-compliant, you are in a life or death situation. It doesn't matter how benign the situation looks at any point. The moment there is a consistent attempt to resist compliance, the cops (and any sensible human being for that matter) danger alarm starts going off the handle.

On the video, you can hear the woman screaming, get my kids! Get away. This was long before the actual shooting. That woman wasn't clairvoyant. She simply recognized what anyone with common sense would. An escalating situation in progress.

But most of the truth about this and other similar situations are often Camouflaged in rhetoric. You'd really have to search high and low to find actual facts :(

 

[Dax777]

Don’t know how I did that by the way. Apologies. I wrote the above. Not Bigga.

If you take out the "S" at at the end of "QUOTES" and replace with a "]" that should fix it.

You certainly don't want to accuse @Bigga of writing something he didn't. Only wish he'd afford others the same respect and not infer things they didn't say :p

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Pretty dumb answer and expected, to be honest.

Not a single original thought going on in your head.

Lol, go on mate face it, AOC has pissed on your chips with her statements hasn't she? Kinda upset the applecart and all that, she wants them defunded, no ambiguity, just defunded., which is a bit of a squirm fest for those suggesting nobody really means it, as this prominent politician clearly does.
Then when you get City Mayors, also making similar pledges, it gets a little difficult trying to say it was all about discussing budgets.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

There was a warrant out for his arrest for sexual misconduct with a minor. What role that played in this in interaction, I don't know. But what is undeniable, is that he had absolutely no intentions of complying.

He was tackled, tased, and had guns pulled on him. But non of that stopped him.

I have noticed a lot of people like you are showing severe disinterest in the relevant questions.

But even if you don't know the above. Even if he was a monk, when a guy with guns drawn on him decides, "nah I just need to get to my car and ignore these pigs," Again, I ask you the same question you like to avoid like the plaque, what should they have done?

Police may need better training. But it would have been of no use in this situation or any situation involving a suspect who is determined to be non compliant.

Generally speaking, non-complying suspects tend to comprise about 95% of suspects who kill cops.

So as a cop, the moment someone becomes consistently non-compliant, you are in a life or death situation. It doesn't matter how benign the situation looks at any point. The moment there is a consistent attempt to resist compliance, the cops (and any sensible human being for that matter) danger alarm starts going off the handle.

On the video, you can hear the woman screaming, get my kids! Get away. This was long before the actual shooting. That woman wasn't clairvoyant. She simply recognized what anyone with common sense would. An escalating situation in progress.

But most of the truth about this and other similar situations are often Camouflaged in rhetoric. You'd really have to search high and low to find actual facts :(

I suspect they do need better training because their policy is to "terminate the threat".

So, why the need for 7 shots? This guy didnt need to die.

I aint talking about better training I am talking about different training. The guy didnt need to die

 

[Ban-jani]

I suspect they do need better training because their policy is to "terminate the threat".

So, why the need for 7 shots? This guy didnt need to die.

I aint talking about better training I am talking about different training. The guy didnt need to die

Not wading into the debate but has he died? I read this morning he’s likely lost the ability to walk which is very sad but he’s still alive right?

 

[Dax777]

I suspect they do need better training because their policy is to "terminate the threat".

So, why the need for 7 shots? This guy didnt need to die.

I aint talking about better training I am talking about different training. The guy didnt need to die

For starters he is not dead. But severely injured. But I appreciate the point you are making.

As for your question, once the danger has become deathly, yes terminating the threat is the Policy. And a the correct policy.

Notice they didn't shoot him when he was struggling with them, even though at that point it had gotten critical. They didn't shoot him as he walked away purposely. Instead they chased. It was at the moment he opened the door and reached in that the cop started shooting.

At that point counting whether it was 1 bullet or Seven is unimportant. You shoot until the threat no longer is a threat.

You can't shoot once and then check. You have to shoot until it seems he has stopped moving.

These are gruesome thoughts for the average civilian. But for the cop in that situation. And at that point, those are the only options that guarantees his survival.

 

[Scottyboi]

For starters he is not dead. But severely injured. But I appreciate the point you are making.

As for your question, once the danger has become deathly, yes terminating the threat is the Policy. And a the correct policy.

Notice they didn't shoot him when he was struggling with them, even though at that point it had gotten critical. They didn't shoot him as he walked away purposely. Instead they chased. It was at the moment he opened the door and reached in that the cop started shooting.

At that point counting whether it was 1 bullet or Seven is unimportant. You shoot until the threat no longer is a threat.

You can't shoot once and then check. You have to shoot until it seems he has stopped moving.

These are gruesome thoughts for the average civilian. But for the cop in that situation. And at that point, those are the only options that guarantees his survival.

Shite policing, could have just tackled him to the ground if you suspected he was going to his car to grab a weapon. Common sense policing doesn't exist in America just executions the fucking pigs.

 

[kaz7]

There was a warrant out for his arrest for sexual misconduct with a minor. What role that played in this in interaction, I don't know. But what is undeniable, is that he had absolutely no intentions of complying.

He was tackled, tased, and had guns pulled on him. But non of that stopped him.

I have noticed a lot of people like you are showing severe disinterest in the relevant questions.

But even if you don't know the above. Even if he was a monk, when a guy with guns drawn on him decides, "nah I just need to get to my car and ignore these idiots"*** Again, I ask you the same question you like to avoid like the plaque, what should they have done?



'***' Not a real quote.

Police may need better training. But it would have been of no use in this situation or any situation involving a suspect who is determined to be non compliant.

Generally speaking, non-complying suspects tend to comprise about 95% of suspects who kill cops.

So as a cop, the moment someone becomes consistently non-compliant, you are in a life or death situation. It doesn't matter how benign the situation looks at any point. The moment there is a consistent attempt to resist compliance, the cops (and any sensible human being for that matter) danger alarm starts going off the handle.

On the video, you can hear the woman screaming, get my kids! Get away. This was long before the actual shooting. That woman wasn't clairvoyant. She simply recognized what anyone with common sense would. An escalating situation in progress.

But most of the truth about this and other similar situations are often Camouflaged in rhetoric. You'd really have to search high and low to find actual facts :(

Is there more than one person saying he was tasared ?

 

[kaz7]

Same here, I dont know what anyone else would have done in that situation, blood pumping, suspect possibly reaching for a gun, people screaming all around, you'd have to be superhuman to make sensible decisions n that situation. I do feel for the police and some of these people criticising them just dont know what it is like, they say do this do that as if it is easy.

But to me it's the police training, they seem to be trained to get their guns out at the merest possibility of personal injury, there's no inbetween, no consideration of any other course of action. Tasers, shoot once maybe (Not the 3 then 4 more times they did in this case), the training seems to be if you shoot you have to kill.

One thing that did strike me in that video was the fear from those surraounding, it was almost as if they knew there would be shooting

tbf they are trained to offset the blood pumping,they need better training or guns only reserved for those most highly trained,soldiers manage it

 

[BobKowalski]

I assume we have reached the point in the debate where we are now justifying shooting unarmed civilians in the back. Seven times.

I don’t know why some people are keen to have a police force where such actions are ever justifiable or where non compliance is a capital crime, or in this case tasering a guy and then shooting him in the back because he is no longer thinking straight, or indeed shooting a 12 year old boy for ‘looking too old’, but it seems there will always be people that will move heaven and earth to justify these shootings.

At some point the cycle will have to broken, because right now it’s looking pretty fucked and doubling down defending the situation will just mean a bigger fucking further down the line.

It would save a lot of time, trouble and tortured logic if certain posters would just say that they are okay with unarmed civilians getting shot in the back seven times. I think you’ll feel better for it. I know I will.