George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

Dax777 said:


I figured I'd wait to get a clearer picture before commenting. As it turns out, there is now a 2nd video.

One that shows an earlier portion of the interaction. Apparently the cops had wrestled the man down (you know, what many claimed they should have done), he struggled with them and got loose, you know, as most resisting arrest would. And then they drew their guns as they chased him around the car where he opens the door and reaches in....Then an officer shoots...Yes, multiple times.


There is nothing the naysayers often like suggesting that wasn't attempted here.

2 police officers with guns on their hips struggling to subdue a suspect who was determined to NOT be detained..

@Bigga over to you. What should they have done there?

According to reports, they attempted to wrestle him to the ground and had tased him already.

So officers with gun on their hips try to arrest, wrestle to the ground ( but no knee as that's illegal), and then tased the suspect. He gets loose. Walks purposely or Maybe in a daze around to his car front door with police officers with guns drawn behind ordering him to stop.


I ask everyone on this thread What Should They Have Done? And at what point should they have done it?
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Yeah, I'm really not interested at the point where they're wrestling Blake. I'm interested in how the situation started; whether conversations were had or assumptions made.

If he's there to break up a fight, how did it reach its conclusion?

I'll let you answer that.

Cheers.
 
inbetween said:
Yes yes, no-one can condone police violence. The killing of Floyd was disgraceful and the officers involved should and hopefully will face justice for what they did. That should happen however with any instance of murder, be it the police or the guy on the street, no single murder is justifiable or excusable.

And this is the problem in the US, violence is normalised because of stupid laws allowing the proliferation of weapons for fun by all sides. That's why you get protesters and counter-protesters turning up with assault rifles followed by the police in armoured trucks but in that instance how can we blame the police for turning up in armoured trucks?

All people seem to care about is the police turning up in gear when actually why does anyone need to turn up to a protest with a weapon, but indeed why does the protest need to exist at all? It's all just a vicious circle and for me the major aggravating factor has always been guns and the violent culture surrounding them.

Take the guns away and the police don't need military gear as they don't in 99% of situations here in the UK. Yes racism remains a real problem as it is in all forms of society but at least without guns the people over there might stop dying on a daily basis.

This again for me is why you can't defund the police unless it's done at such a low level that it won't make any difference. There is an argument to reduce their efforts to gather military gear fair enough, but the police need to be armed and protected or else in the US there is a good chance on a daily basis that they may go out and never come home again.

Still though yes it's a lose-lose situation but that's not because the police are violent, it's because criminals are violent and often armed with guns and willing to fire them if necessary.
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So, wait...

Your argument is 'escalate the arms race' instead of giving the people the resources they need so there's a de-escalation in weaponry?

If you give people money for food, they won't feel the need to steal.

If you give people a decent living wage, they will have the money to feed their families/ themselves, so there's no need to arm yourself to steal for a living.

If you give people a way out of a life full of drugs, let's use a job or rehab resources in this instance, they won't feel the need to turn to drugs, as their life won't be shit, nor will they need to steal/ commit to afford their drugs and on and on into ever decreasing circles.

If you give a people back their dignity, they won't feel like people think they're the scum of the earth, anyway and maybe have some pride about their lives.


Or... You can choose to escalate the arms race, making the NRA types happy.

One way hasn't changed a fooking thing, but I reckon it's pretty much 50/ 50, ain't it...?
 
Dax777 said:


I figured I'd wait to get a clearer picture before commenting. As it turns out, there is now a 2nd video.

One that shows an earlier portion of the interaction. Apparently the cops had wrestled the man down (you know, what many claimed they should have done), he struggled with them and got loose, you know, as most resisting arrest would. And then they drew their guns as they chased him around the car where he opens the door and reaches in....Then an officer shoots...Yes, multiple times.


There is nothing the naysayers often like suggesting that wasn't attempted here.

2 police officers with guns on their hips struggling to subdue a suspect who was determined to NOT be detained..

@Bigga over to you. What should they have done there?

According to reports, they attempted to wrestle him to the ground and had tased him already.

So officers with gun on their hips try to arrest, wrestle to the ground ( but no knee as that's illegal), and then tased the suspect. He gets loose. Walks purposely or Maybe in a daze around to his car front door with police officers with guns drawn behind ordering him to stop.


I ask everyone on this thread What Should They Have Done? And at what point should they have done it?
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Same here, I dont know what anyone else would have done in that situation, blood pumping, suspect possibly reaching for a gun, people screaming all around, you'd have to be superhuman to make sensible decisions n that situation. I do feel for the police and some of these people criticising them just dont know what it is like, they say do this do that as if it is easy.

But to me it's the police training, they seem to be trained to get their guns out at the merest possibility of personal injury, there's no inbetween, no consideration of any other course of action. Tasers, shoot once maybe (Not the 3 then 4 more times they did in this case), the training seems to be if you shoot you have to kill.

One thing that did strike me in that video was the fear from those surraounding, it was almost as if they knew there would be shooting
 
Bigga said:
Please read about Daniel Shaver and Philando Castile.
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Shaver was a drunken buffoon who didn’t follow his instructions. Whilst crawling, he moved his right hand toward his waistband. in direct contravention of his simple instructions. Prior to police attending, had been waving a gun out of his window, toward the street. Didn’t need to get shot though. Awful policing.

Castile declared he had a gun, then reached down without being told to reach anywhere. That equals trouble. Which is what he got. Perhaps if he’d have put both his hands on display and not moved them, things would have been different.
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