George Floyd murder / Derek Chauvin guilty of murder

bert38 said:
And as in the US, stopping a car, often single crewed is the most risky thing you can do.
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bert38 said:
In the US officers are much more likely to be killed by the occupants than the other way around.
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[citation needed]

Actually don't bother, I already know it's not true.

The chance of a police officer homicide victimization during a routine traffic stop was quite minimal [I.D. Lichtenberg, A. Smith / Journal of Criminal Justice 29 (2001) 419–428 425] — between one in 6.7 million and 20.1 million motor vehicle stops.

On the other hand,1063 people were killed by police during traffic stops in 2015. With 15-20 million traffic stops per year, that's at best 1 in 19,000 chance of being killed by police at a traffic stop.

So that's 1 in 6-20 million vs 1 in 19,000.

I know you're a former police officer Bert, but you really don't need to keep going to bat for the US police who are a completely different animal to UK police.

Policing over here was (as you know) set up for the public. Policing by consent, Peelian principles, the friendly neighbourhood bobby etc.

The police force in the USA was set up by plantation owners to round up escaped slaves, then to scare off free black people from towns where White people didn't want them. It has always been an organisation to punish and intimidate the population.

You've got very little in common with US police force, you really don't need to keep defending them with made up statements like the ones I quoted. No one thinks police over here are like police over there.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
That’s because NEITHER the Driver nor the office EVER HAS A GUN IN THE UK! The false premise undermines your arrogance no end.

Why is it so hard for Brits to understand? American society is different. ALL the “we are better because we don’t shoot people “ in the world is literally farting in the wind!

You can try to understand or you can stay ignorant and high and mighty, but until you realize your “solution” of “no guns” is ignorant and simplistic, then we can have little to talk about!
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I take your point on board about the different situations police officers and citizens in America face due to both sides being armed. I think the ship has sailed as far as no guns being allowed if nothing happened after Sandy Hook it never will. I admit I know nothing about guns but couldn't they make laws about the type of gun you can own. The type of guns I have seen Americans own look like something I would expect a soldier on the front line to have. If owning a gun is about protection couldn't it just be made so that you could only own one and make the background checks more thorough? I agree that its two different worlds but it blows my mind to see how many guns people can collect and the type of guns that they can legally own.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
That’s because NEITHER the Driver nor the office EVER HAS A GUN IN THE UK! The false premise undermines your arrogance no end.

Why is it so hard for Brits to understand? American society is different. ALL the “we are better because we don’t shoot people “ in the world is literally farting in the wind!

You can try to understand or you can stay ignorant and high and mighty, but until you realize your “solution” of “no guns” is ignorant and simplistic, then we can have little to talk about!
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You seem to have plenty of reasons why extensive gun controls are a non-starter, but I'm not hearing many solutions.
ChicagoBlue said:
And bullshit!

But why let a good non-fact ”fact“ get in the way of a serious discussion?!
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Easy to see how these kind of posts are taken at face value when you have female politicians like Lauren Boebert and MTG posing for photos with assault rifles.
 
Involuntary Manslaughter. Terrible error. She would likely serve time in jail.

But another young black man is still dead. Arguments over who was at fault. Her mistake vs his noncompliance doesn't change that he is still dead. :(
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Has anyone put this up yet, it's a recent Mail exclusive about this.


(Apologies for the long link, don't know how that happened)
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It would appear that the vast majority of Mail commenters believe he deserved to die because of a previous allegation that hadn't yet been to court.
 
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