God

Damocles said:
The last one is a belter:

As with any logical proposition, one contradiction disproves the proposed rule. If each of the 25 counterexamples provided here has merely a 10% chance of being valid, which is certainly an underestimate, then the probability that the Earth is billions of years old is only 7%. From another perspective, these counterexamples demonstrate that the Earth must be young with a likelihood of at least 93%.

ARGH!

That's just gibberish.
 
Matty said:
BulgarianPride said:
God: an entity that is responsible for everything that science can't answer.

Bollocks.

You have no proof of this statement whatsoever.

So, by your rational, before Newton "discovered" gravity God was responsible for it. After he discovered gravity God was no longer responsible then I assume? So, by your own rules, God is only responsible for things until we become intelligent enough to realise he isn't.

newton did not discover gravity. Nobody discovered gravity. To this day nobody knows how gravity functions. We can model it, but we don't know what causes it. Scientist are looking for a particle called graviton, untill its found, God made mass to have gravity.
Gravity is one of the biggest mystery in science.

-- Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:17 am --

Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
BulgarianPride said:
What? You really don't understand me?

I give you a box, that I've put pieces of gold in it and tell you its empty. For some reason you never open the box. After a few weeks of you having this box, i leave and never see you again. To YOU it's just a box with nothing inside it. The gold does not EXIST, from YOUR point of view. It is there but unless you open the box, it will NEVER EXISTS, again from YOUR point of view. So it's like the gold never existed, isn't? Only i know of the gold. If i forget of it, it is like the gold no longer existed.

God: an entity that is responsible for everything that science can't answer.

biggest pile of shizzle I've ever heard on the topic....... So you having seen the gold constitutes your belief it exists right? and those who haven't have to rely on blind faith? So answer me this, what did god look like on your meeting of minds? Does he like kfc or macci D's? Has he got a pikey caravan site? your whole foundation is flawed in that analogy as you don't have a clue if he exists or not, and like your gold bar there is a primary source needed, there isn't one in any religion the world over.

I was not talking about god, in that paragraph. It was a totally different thing between me and ElanJo.
Why do you resort to mocking people when you have clearly misunderstood them?<br /><br />-- Tue Aug 10, 2010 6:50 am --<br /><br />
Damocles said:
Matty said:
I think you underestimate creationists, they categorically WILL credit human reproduction with God!!

the-stupid-it-burns.jpg


For more rage inducing creationist crap, read:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Relativity" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexa ... Relativity</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_Evolution" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexa ... _Evolution</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_the_Bible" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexa ... _the_Bible</a>
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexamples_to_an_Old_Earth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.conservapedia.com/Counterexa ... _Old_Earth</a>

The last one is a belter:

As with any logical proposition, one contradiction disproves the proposed rule. If each of the 25 counterexamples provided here has merely a 10% chance of being valid, which is certainly an underestimate, then the probability that the Earth is billions of years old is only 7%. From another perspective, these counterexamples demonstrate that the Earth must be young with a likelihood of at least 93%.

ARGH!

Those links are scary...
 
BulgarianPride said:
untill its found, God made mass to have gravity.

Err, no. Until it is found we simply can't explain how, specifically, gravity works. Just because, at this present time, we have no concrete scientific explanation for something doesn't mean "a magic man did it".

There have been hundreds of scientific discoveries over the centuries. As man's intelligence has increased we have discovered more and more. To argue that up to the exact date we discovered how something worked it was "made by God" is, quite frankly, imbecilic.
 
Matty said:
BulgarianPride said:
untill its found, God made mass to have gravity.

Err, no. Until it is found we simply can't explain how, specifically, gravity works. Just because, at this present time, we have no concrete scientific explanation for something doesn't mean "a magic man did it".

There have been hundreds of scientific discoveries over the centuries. As man's intelligence has increased we have discovered more and more. To argue that up to the exact date we discovered how something worked it was "made by God" is, quite frankly, imbecilic.

Who saying God is a magic man? God is an entity/concept used to explain the unknown. Until we know everything there is to know about the universe ( it will never happen), God will always play a role. That is why God is always associated with the after life. Nobody knows what happens when we die. Its one of the biggest unknowns. Sure your body dies, but what if a soul (energy) exists? What happens to it?
 
BulgarianPride said:
Matty said:
Err, no. Until it is found we simply can't explain how, specifically, gravity works. Just because, at this present time, we have no concrete scientific explanation for something doesn't mean "a magic man did it".

There have been hundreds of scientific discoveries over the centuries. As man's intelligence has increased we have discovered more and more. To argue that up to the exact date we discovered how something worked it was "made by God" is, quite frankly, imbecilic.

Who saying God is a magic man? God is an entity/concept used to explain the unknown. Until we know everything there is to know about the universe ( it will never happen), God will always play a role. That is why God is always associated with the after life. Nobody knows what happens when we die. Its one of the biggest unknowns. Sure your body dies, but what if a soul (energy) exists? What happens to it?


So do you think that we should all worship a deity? Or is it enough to acknowledge the existence of this entity or concept and no more?
 
BulgarianPride said:
Matty said:
Err, no. Until it is found we simply can't explain how, specifically, gravity works. Just because, at this present time, we have no concrete scientific explanation for something doesn't mean "a magic man did it".

There have been hundreds of scientific discoveries over the centuries. As man's intelligence has increased we have discovered more and more. To argue that up to the exact date we discovered how something worked it was "made by God" is, quite frankly, imbecilic.

Who saying God is a magic man? God is an entity/concept used to explain the unknown. Until we know everything there is to know about the universe ( it will never happen), God will always play a role. That is why God is always associated with the after life. Nobody knows what happens when we die. Its one of the biggest unknowns. Sure your body dies, but what if a soul (energy) exists? What happens to it?

I've been around a fair few corpses and there is nothing different to them than there is to your sunday joint.
There is no "energy discharge" at the point of death, there is nothing special about the human animal.
When you are dead
that's it.
and why shouldn't it be?
On cessation of life your nothing but cooling meat.
Period.
 
BulgarianPride said:
Matty said:
Err, no. Until it is found we simply can't explain how, specifically, gravity works. Just because, at this present time, we have no concrete scientific explanation for something doesn't mean "a magic man did it".

There have been hundreds of scientific discoveries over the centuries. As man's intelligence has increased we have discovered more and more. To argue that up to the exact date we discovered how something worked it was "made by God" is, quite frankly, imbecilic.

Who saying God is a magic man? God is an entity/concept used to explain the unknown. Until we know everything there is to know about the universe ( it will never happen), God will always play a role. That is why God is always associated with the after life. Nobody knows what happens when we die. Its one of the biggest unknowns. Sure your body dies, but what if a soul (energy) exists? What happens to it?

I may as well ask you "What if the Creator was a Giant Spaghetti monster?"

What makes you think that such a thing as a "Soul" exists?
There is no evidence of it and if you want to cite Near Death Experiences, please don't.

The following does not prove it doesn't but does show that biological or materialistic processes can be used to explain such a phenomenon.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1282598/Near-death-experiences-explained-Scientists-believe-gasp-dying-brain.html?ITO=1708&referrer=yahoo#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... rer=yahoo#</a>
 

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