Golf Thread

[BlueHammer85]

Scheffler really dominated that final round, incredible stuff.

 

[No.8]

There's been a lot of statistical analysis of golf in recent years and whereas short game and putting are maybe good for quick wins major improvements in golf are usually from improvements in the long game.

For a high handicapper , like he obvious is, to get down from 100 to 85 a round your best bet is to cut out the three / 4 putts and getting up and down a few times.

For 10 handicappers to get down to a low handicap you need to improve on your length. This where I struggle. I am consistent and straight but struggle at Par 4s over 400 yards.

 

[No.8]

Faldo and Montgomerie are ALLEGEDLY another couple of twats.

Not allegedly with Faldo. He is an out and out Wanker.

Monty is one of the elitists. I’m sure his father is a past Captain at Troon

I left my last club due to the elitist bullshit. I’m all for the traditions and happy with golfing etiquette but some people are so far up their own arses it ruins it for the majority

 

[No.8]

Aberg what a 12 months. The boy has talent

And the correct temperament which is huge in golf.

I had a few pounds on Morikawa at 45/1 so he gave me a wee run for my money. I watched it until he went in the water at the 11th. Nice to see him back competing.

 

[domalino]

So much for Woods talking up his chances of winning this weekend. 16 over, including his worst ever round in a major (82 yesterday). Sometimes it pays to simply keep your trap shut.

Tiger had a better tournament than pretty much everyone except Scheffler and Aberg.

Quite apart from the fact he's playing with fused vertebrae and 2 completely destroyed knees, one ankle (and a permanent limp from almost having his leg amputated) and has absolutely no business playing professional golf, he's still played better golf and finished higher than pre-tournament favourites and current major holders/top 10 players like Wyndham Clark, Hovland, Harman, Spieth.

To do that after being made to play 27 holes on 1 day? Incredible. You can see he's in severe pain just walking around the course, and he still hit some of the best shots of the week.

Woods is a bit like Murray at the moment. To casual fans they might be lessening their legacy by carrying on playing past the time they can realistically compete for majors, but to their fellow players and people that watch every week, what both of them are doing is massively adding to their legends.

 

[jimharri]

Tiger had a better tournament than pretty much everyone except Scheffler and Aberg.

Finished last of those who made the cut, I think?

 

[domalino]

Finished last of those who made the cut, I think?

I've expanded on my comment above.

 

[No.8]

Finished last of those who made the cut, I think?

As pointed out previously. He has now made 24 cuts at The Masters. The most in the history of the competition. A phenomenal achievement for all the reasons listed above.

Tiger is a true great of the Sport and arguably changed golf , for the better, more than any other individual

 

[Cityfan]

For a high handicapper , like he obvious is, to get down from 100 to 85 a round your best bet is to cut out the three / 4 putts and getting up and down a few times.

This is actually unlikely.

There is a bloke called Mark Broadie who has analysed golf statistically and whose statistical analysis is now used by the majority of serious tournament professionals and many amateurs to analyse their own games.

One of his findings was that at all levels of golf the difference between a groups of players at two different levels was essentially two thirds due to the long game (Outside 100 yds Driving, irons etc) and one third due to the short game chipping pitching putting sand shots etc.

This was true between 100 shooters and 90 shooters 90 shooters and scratch ,scratch and professional golfers tournament golfers and elite tournament golfers etc.
Applying the two thirds/ one third rule to get from 100 to 85 ie 15 strokes implies that one can also gain 30 strokes from the long game for a total of 45 shots ie becoming a 65 shooter which to do regularly even on ordinary courses is verging on tournament level pro golf.
Not saying he should not work on his short game but the long game will for many have more room for improvement and whereas it can be length As a high shooter it is as likely to be consistency of strike, avoiding losing the ball a few more times and duffing it a few more times.

 

[domalino]

This is actually unlikely.

There is a bloke called Mark Broadie who has analysed golf statistically and whose statistical analysis is now used by the majority of serious tournament professionals and many amateurs to analyse their own games.

One of his findings was that at all levels of golf the difference between a groups of players at two different levels was essentially two thirds due to the long game (Outside 100 yds Driving, irons etc) and one third due to the short game chipping pitching putting sand shots etc.

This was true between 100 shooters and 90 shooters 90 shooters and scratch ,scratch and professional golfers tournament golfers and elite tournament golfers etc.
Applying the two thirds/ one third rule to get from 100 to 85 ie 15 strokes implies that one can also gain 30 strokes from the long game for a total of 45 shots ie becoming a 65 shooter which to do regularly even on ordinary courses is verging on tournament level pro golf.
Not saying he should not work on his short game but the long game will for many have more room for improvement and whereas it can be length As a high shooter it is as likely to be consistency of strike, avoiding losing the ball a few more times and duffing it a few more times.

The problem with recommending amateur golfers work on their short game is that putting and short game is what goes first when you stop playing.

If you only play once a week, you’re probably barely keeping your short game sharp. Less than that and it’s going backwards.

So you can work all summer on your short game and by next year you’re almost back at square one.

But if you get spend the time and money to get taught a reliable, technically strong swing, you can go away for 4 months over the winter and it’ll be back in an hour or so at the range and you can always have a good and fun round.

Having a great short game is completely useless if you’re hitting your approach shots from the rough or the next fairway over anyway.

 

[hammocity]

Such a tough sport even with everything in your favour. Been playing for five years and only now reached the stage where I feel capable of breaking the 100 consistently. Doing it is another matter. Only had 12 holes available on my course for most of the winter. Closed again today no surprise

Yep played yesterday at Ashton under Lyne, full 18, definitely drying out but still wet and boggy on most of the course. No rain yesterday, quite warm, woke up to a message on Clubv1 saying “course closed”, grand a year membership fee, working out at about £50 a round so far :-(

Which is your club?

 

[hammocity]

Played a course out in Southport yesterday as the courses local to me are still shut or waterlogged - really challenging gales etc but it was really fun to play the elements.

Whilst I am still a complete novice, my scorecard of 107 wasn't too bad.

The two far better players I was with carded 103's.............

Keep going, sometimes it just clicks, I’m playing poorly at the moment, I’d normally go to our mini driving range to hit a bucket of balls with my 7 iron to get my swing going but it’s so boggy you end up digging out the buried balls from the turf, at my age it’s back breaking, hoping for better weather.

 

[journolud]

Yep played yesterday at Ashton under Lyne, full 18, definitely drying out but still wet and boggy on most of the course. No rain yesterday, quite warm, woke up to a message on Clubv1 saying “course closed”, grand a year membership fee, working out at about £50 a round so far :-(

Which is your club?

Macclesfield. Holes 11-17 are usually closed in the winter. They’ve actually done a lot of work to address the long standing drainage problems but hadn’t reckoned on such a wet winter and spring.

I read somewhere of clubs considering introducing 6 month memberships to cover summer and then being pay and play the rest of the year

 

[give it to gordon]

Not allegedly with Faldo. He is an out and out Wanker.

Monty is one of the elitists. I’m sure his father is a past Captain at Troon

I left my last club due to the elitist bullshit. I’m all for the traditions and happy with golfing etiquette but some people are so far up their own arses it ruins it for the majority

As an ex head greenkeeper the only nice pro golfer I ever heard greenkeepers talk about was Severiano Ballesteros. He always took time out to chat with the greenkeepers as the other pros just ignored us. A really nice bloke always happy to give you his glove or hat etc.

I can confirm Faldo is a twat but to be honest most pros I've meet are lol

 

[hammocity]

Macclesfield. Holes 11-17 are usually closed in the winter. They’ve actually done a lot of work to address the long standing drainage problems but hadn’t reckoned on such a wet winter and spring.

I read somewhere of clubs considering introducing 6 month memberships to cover summer and then being pay and play the rest of the year

Not played there, yep it’s been a shocker right from last July.

There’s 5 members at Ashton (who live local) moving to Stockport, think most of them are just doing a 5 weekday membership and I think I heard them saying it was £950 for 6 months summer membership but I could be wrong. One of them said it’s £1900 for full 7 day membership, they’re all retaining their Ashton membership’s as well, expensive hobby.

 

[journolud]

To be fair Macc is pretty cheap which is a good reflection of the availability of 18 in a normal year. Plenty of competition around.

I’ve just paid £565 for the year, Sunday to Friday. Not classed as full membership because I can’t enter the competitions which suits me.

 

[meltonblue]

For a high handicapper , like he obvious is, to get down from 100 to 85 a round your best bet is to cut out the three / 4 putts and getting up and down a few times.

For 10 handicappers to get down to a low handicap you need to improve on your length. This where I struggle. I am consistent and straight but struggle at Par 4s over 400 yards.

All depends on the golfer. I play off 9.8 nowadays and it’s pretty much entirely down to my short game that I’m not lower than that (was better when I was younger!). Agree that you do need length too though.

The two people I normally play with shoot around 100, when I watch them the main issues I see are fundamentals not being right (the grip in particular) causing a lot of inconsistency and the other big thing is course management. Im just playing with one of them this weekend and I’m going to caddy for him as I’ve said I reckon I can get him to break ninety just by making some better choices. Going to be interesting :)

 

[hammocity]

To be fair Macc is pretty cheap which is a good reflection of the availability of 18 in a normal year. Plenty of competition around.

I’ve just paid £565 for the year, Sunday to Friday. Not classed as full membership because I can’t enter the competitions which suits me.

That’s very good, I’m Sunday - Friday member at Ashton, with my locker and trolley space (only have a 2 seater car!) it’s £985, I play in the occasional Tuesday comp but not the Sunday ones.

We have a group of around 30, we play Sundays, normally about 20- 24 play, we chuck a fiver in the pot and play a team game in Winter but once qualifying scores count we register the scores on England Golf to maintain handicaps, when this happens we play singles and a team game, it’s a good laugh and we have a belting bunch of lads.

 

[hammocity]

All depends on the golfer. I play off 9.8 nowadays and it’s pretty much entirely down to my short game that I’m not lower than that (was better when I was younger!). Agree that you do need length too though.

The two people I normally play with shoot around 100, when I watch them the main issues I see are fundamentals not being right (the grip in particular) causing a lot of inconsistency and the other big thing is course management. Im just playing with one of them this weekend and I’m going to caddy for him as I’ve said I reckon I can get him to break ninety just by making some better choices. Going to be interesting :)

A departed golfer at our club had a saying about golfers:

“The older we get, the better we were”

I’m guilty of that, saying things like “I used to get to the 150 marker with my drive on this hole” and “in the past I could hit a 7 iron 150 yards” the latter is now a 19 degree rescue which usually lands anywhere other than on the green :-).

 

[meltonblue]

A departed golfer at our club had a saying about golfers:

“The older we get, the better we were”

I’m guilty of that, saying things like “I used to get to the 150 marker with my drive on this hole” and “in the past I could hit a 7 iron 150 yards” the latter is now a 19 degree rescue which usually lands anywhere other than on the green :-).

Ha! I’ve still got the distance I used to have (although I think that’s down to newer clubs and the ridiculous degrees they are nowadays!), just my short game has completely gone to pot. Going to try and spend some more time on it this year as I’m bordering on getting the yips with it.