Government loses Abu Qatada appeal

[Plaything of the gods]

..and wait for innocent people to die.

The assumption you are making is that the 'terrorist' actually is a terrorist. A person can be suspected of something they are completely innocent of. The reason that there is insufficient evidence may not be that they simply haven't found it yet but that it doesn't exist because the person didn't do it. Placing the burden of proof on the prosecution is a deliberate act to prevent people from being wrongly imprisoned.

This will probably come across like reductio ad absurdum, but bear with me. Imagine if some people accused you of trying to make the moon collide with the earth using some very long wires. Then lets say it just so happens that you have a pile of those wires in your garden. There's no actual evidence you are trying to make the moon collide with the earth, just some people accusing you of it and a pile of wires that fit with their story. If you were to actually make it happen you would be ending all life on earth. Should we invade your life indefinitely, locking you up, taking away your possessions, restricting your movements, despite there being insufficient evidence you are actually going to do it? Should we maybe lock you away forever? Should we leave you alone and potentially wait for billions of innocent people to die?

This should be good. Come on West Dids, prove your innocence. The plane to Guantanamo is waiting.

The good news is that innocent people don't have to spend all the rest of their lives in detention.

Mejadedi said many of the detainees, who are now free, had served up to four years in Guantanamo. He said "most" of the prisoners were innocent and had been turned in to the US military by other Afghans because of personal disputes.

http://www.truth-out.org/archive/it...-guantanamo-detainees-returned-to-afghanistan

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I don't fancy the planes chances, the sneaky fucker's dressed in a parachute

 

[west didsblue]

..and wait for innocent people to die.

The assumption you are making is that the 'terrorist' actually is a terrorist. A person can be suspected of something they are completely innocent of. The reason that there is insufficient evidence may not be that they simply haven't found it yet but that it doesn't exist because the person didn't do it. Placing the burden of proof on the prosecution is a deliberate act to prevent people from being wrongly imprisoned.

This will probably come across like reductio ad absurdum, but bear with me. Imagine if some people accused you of trying to make the moon collide with the earth using some very long wires. Then lets say it just so happens that you have a pile of those wires in your garden. There's no actual evidence you are trying to make the moon collide with the earth, just some people accusing you of it and a pile of wires that fit with their story. If you were to actually make it happen you would be ending all life on earth. Should we invade your life indefinitely, locking you up, taking away your possessions, restricting your movements, despite there being insufficient evidence you are actually going to do it? Should we maybe lock you away forever? Should we leave you alone and potentially wait for billions of innocent people to die?

In Qatada's case though, he's actually on a UN list of known Al Qaeda associates, he's been convicted of terrorism in his absence in Jordan and several other countries have accused him of terrorism offences. So because he's just about arguably managed to stay the right side of the law in this country he should have just been left alone?

And how did you find out about my cunning plan to crash the moon into the earth? I would have got away with it if it wasn't for you.

 

[rickmcfc]

Fuck him, his family, and anyone else who supported him being here. What has he contributed to this country since arriving? Fuck all. Now he is gone, the country is slightly safer, and he will not be missed. Also, we will be saving a fortune. Shame his kids and wife couldn't be fucked off as well as they will be/already are spounging benefit twats who will claim every benefit they possible can without lifting a finger.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Fuck him, his family, and anyone else who supported him being here. What has he contributed to this country since arriving? Fuck all. Now he is gone, the country is slightly safer, and he will not be missed. Also, we will be saving a fortune. Shame his kids and wife couldn't be fucked off as well as they will be/already are spounging benefit twats who will claim every benefit they possible can without lifting a finger.

They should bring in a law like the have with criminals were they can recoup monies from the convicted persons estate, in the case of terrorists, their families should also be turfed out, hey if they don't like it don't become a fucking terrorist.

 

[Skashion]

Either charged and tried or left alone, the same as anyone else.

Ah, the good old days before civil liberties were taken away from us, with most people cheering the government on seemingly.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp069Y_P-9M[/youtube]

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Fuck him, his family, and anyone else who supported him being here. What has he contributed to this country since arriving? Fuck all. Now he is gone, the country is slightly safer, and he will not be missed. Also, we will be saving a fortune. Shame his kids and wife couldn't be fucked off as well as they will be/already are spounging benefit twats who will claim every benefit they possible can without lifting a finger.

They should bring in a law like the have with criminals were they can recoup monies from the convicted persons estate, in the case of terrorists, their families should also be turfed out, hey if they don't like it don't become a fucking terrorist.

Don't think you appreciate how flawed that is- Abu qatada was on benefits because he had no assets, Bin Laden had $300 million frozen by the US and his dad was the richest saudi outside the royal family. They really Don`t give a shit about money if they have it and most of them have fuck all anyway. Money is reclaimed for court costs after a conviction and assets seized to compensate those who have been financial victims, neither of those requirements are present here. The Families point is beyond a joke- guilty by an association you have no choice over.

 

[scotty123]

Fuck him, his family, and anyone else who supported him being here. What has he contributed to this country since arriving? Fuck all. Now he is gone, the country is slightly safer, and he will not be missed. Also, we will be saving a fortune. Shame his kids and wife couldn't be fucked off as well as they will be/already are spounging benefit twats who will claim every benefit they possible can without lifting a finger.

They should bring in a law like the have with criminals were they can recoup monies from the convicted persons estate, in the case of terrorists, their families should also be turfed out, hey if they don't like it don't become a fucking terrorist.

Don't think you appreciate how flawed that is- Abu qatada was on benefits because he had no assets, Bin Laden had $300 million frozen by the US and his dad was the richest saudi outside the royal family. They really Don`t give a shit about money if they have it and most of them have fuck all anyway. Money is reclaimed for court costs after a conviction and assets seized to compensate those who have been financial victims, neither of those requirements are present here. The Families point is beyond a joke- guilty by an association you have no choice over.

No choice over!! Thats a stupid thing to say, thats like me thinking my Mrs is bruenette when shes blonder than blonde

 

[Irwell]

In Qatada's case though, he's actually on a UN list of known Al Qaeda associates, he's been convicted of terrorism in his absence in Jordan and several other countries have accused him of terrorism offences. So because he's just about arguably managed to stay the right side of the law in this country he should have just been left alone?

He couldn't be tried here as he had not broken our laws, but I agree that a person should be deported to face trial for breaking the laws of another country. If a person is wanted for trial elsewhere and we are happy that the evidence gathered is both sufficient and legitimately obtained, as well as being happy that his sentence will be humane, then they should be deported to stand trial. If these things are not the case, however, the person should not be held indefinitely while we try to tweak the laws so we can circumvent their intent. This would defeat the entire point of the right to a fair trial.

And how did you find out about my cunning plan to crash the moon into the earth? I would have got away with it if it wasn't for you.

We've been watching you. We know about the lasers too.

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

They should bring in a law like the have with criminals were they can recoup monies from the convicted persons estate, in the case of terrorists, their families should also be turfed out, hey if they don't like it don't become a fucking terrorist.

Don't think you appreciate how flawed that is- Abu qatada was on benefits because he had no assets, Bin Laden had $300 million frozen by the US and his dad was the richest saudi outside the royal family. They really Don`t give a shit about money if they have it and most of them have fuck all anyway. Money is reclaimed for court costs after a conviction and assets seized to compensate those who have been financial victims, neither of those requirements are present here. The Families point is beyond a joke- guilty by an association you have no choice over.

No choice over!! Thats a stupid thing to say, thats like me thinking my Mrs is bruenette when shes blonder than blonde

I was thinking more about his five kids than his wife, but if you want to interpretate it that way then do as you please.