Government loses Abu Qatada appeal

[MCFCTrick]

I really sincerely hope Jordan lied, and they waterboard the twunt...

 

[samharris]

Do you think him innocent or guilty of suspected terrorism??

I'm a believer in there being public trials with evidence to ascertain guilt. I'm certainly not going to pronounce the man guilty without having seen any evidence.

Im sorry but terrorists or those believed to be involved should be treated differently..governments must try to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur as afterwards its too late as people have already lost their lives..

Terrorism means loss of life..

 

[Rocket-footed kolarov]

Do you think him innocent or guilty of suspected terrorism??

I'm a believer in there being public trials with evidence to ascertain guilt. I'm certainly not going to pronounce the man guilty without having seen any evidence.

Im sorry but terrorists or those believed to be involved should be treated differently..governments must try to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur as afterwards its too late as people have already lost their lives..

Terrorism means loss of life..

So does "conventional" murder but you at least have to satisfy the requirements of a conspiracy charge before you are put on remand to later face trial.

 

[Rascal]

Im sorry but terrorists or those believed to be involved should be treated differently..governments must try to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur as afterwards its too late as people have already lost their lives..

Terrorism means loss of life..

Sadly most people appear to share your views. The right wing press have done there job well

But do you not realise for one moment that the judgements made do not only affect him, they affect YOU

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Where's the third musketeer?

 

[Skashion]

Sadly most people appear to share your views. The right wing press have done there job well

But do you not realise for one moment that the judgements made do not only affect him, they affect YOU

I don't buy that it's to do with fear. At least not fear of terrorism anyway. Even if it was, I wouldn't care. You can justify ANY theft of civil liberties on the basis of preventing future crime. Put CCTV in every room of every home, there'd be far less child abuse cases, domestic abuse and rape. Infanticide would plummet. Any crime that relies on secrecy to thrive would take a severe knock. Yeah, it'd be a police state and we'd have no right to privacy, but clearly there are reasons to do it. Would people allow it? Actually, I don't know you know, I'm rarely ever shocked at the lack of reverence for basic civil rights anymore, but what I do know, is that whenever there's a freedom of speech case on here, I'm usually on my own with perhaps two or three allies. What's the rationale then? You're afraid speech is going to kill you? Nope, bullshit, you don't care because you care about civil liberties. It's nothing to with loss of life, and everything to do with widespread apathy and illiberal ideals embraced by a scarily large segment of the population.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Another triumphant day for those people who want to restrict personnal freedom.

It's not today to be honest. There's nothing wrong with what the government's done today. The crime was robbing him of his liberty for nearly ten years in Belmarsh and under severe control orders without ever convicting him of a crime. Very few people seem bothered by this, at all. That Habeas Corpus, the most basic civil liberty we have, has been taken, and barely anyone's bothered, moreover a huge number of people are highly enthusiastic about such draconian measures, is very disturbing. There's no doubt in my mind that Nazi Germany could have happened here had the conditions conspired. There's enough people who place zero value on civil liberties. Threads like this are a look into the worst side of human beings; the dark side that was proved in the Milgram and Stanford Prison experiments.

Our civil liberties will continue to be eroded its the price we pay for the World becoming smaller place unfortunately, when I was a kid going on holiday you showed your passport and walked on the airplane and if you asked the stewardess nicely you could go up to the cockpit have a chat with the pilot for a few minutes, but thanks to some lunatics blowing aircraft up and lately flying them into buildings all that's come to an end, going on an aircraft now's like trying to see the prime minister with all the security checks. when people start letting bombs off on the tube and London buses our liberties again are eroded alas some folk even some born here believe they're at war with the West and a by product of that is the erosion of our civil liberties which will only continue into the future sadly just as in WW2 civil liberties get put on hold i'm afraid.

 

[Irwell]

Im sorry but terrorists or those believed to be involved should be treated differently..governments must try to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur as afterwards its too late as people have already lost their lives..

Terrorism means loss of life..

I hope you never stand for election. That point of view is completely ridiculous.

 

[Skashion]

Yes, it's all very Nineteen Eighty-four. Perpetual war; perpetual loss of civil liberties.

 

[samharris]

Im sorry but terrorists or those believed to be involved should be treated differently..governments must try to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur as afterwards its too late as people have already lost their lives..

Terrorism means loss of life..

I hope you never stand for election. That point of view is completely ridiculous.

I know someone who lost someone in 7/7..they would disagree with your comment..