Not the old right wing press again was it them blew people to pieces in London 8 years ago today being able to deport somebody who shouldn't have been here in the first bloody place don't affect me in the slightest i'm afraid the big inquiry should be how he ever got through passport control and his money draining clan as well.Rascal said:samharris said:Im sorry but terrorists or those believed to be involved should be treated differently..governments must try to prevent acts of terrorism before they occur as afterwards its too late as people have already lost their lives..
Terrorism means loss of life..
Sadly most people appear to share your views. The right wing press have done there job well
But do you not realise for one moment that the judgements made do not only affect him, they affect YOU
That doesn't make your opinion any less ridiculous. When I say ridiculous, I'm being too kind. The concept of treating a crime suspect's rights differently based on the severity of that crime is just beyond comprehension. A person's rights are treated the same regardless of any accusations against them for many very good reasons. If that person says different they are either saying it from an emotionally bias point of view or from a complete lack of perspective.samharris said:I know someone who lost someone in 7/7..they would disagree with your comment..
Very well observed quote.Skashion said:Yes, it's all very Nineteen Eighty-four. Perpetual war; perpetual loss of civil liberties.
Skashion said:I don't buy that it's to do with fear. At least not fear of terrorism anyway. Even if it was, I wouldn't care. You can justify ANY theft of civil liberties on the basis of preventing future crime. Put CCTV in every room of every home, there'd be far less child abuse cases, domestic abuse and rape. Infanticide would plummet. Any crime that relies on secrecy to thrive would take a severe knock. Yeah, it'd be a police state and we'd have no right to privacy, but clearly there are reasons to do it. Would people allow it? Actually, I don't know you know, I'm rarely ever shocked at the lack of reverence for basic civil rights anymore, but what I do know, is that whenever there's a freedom of speech case on here, I'm usually on my own with perhaps two or three allies. What's the rationale then? You're afraid speech is going to kill you? Nope, bullshit, you don't care because you care about civil liberties. It's nothing to with loss of life, and everything to do with widespread apathy and illiberal ideals embraced by a scarily large segment of the population.Rascal said:Sadly most people appear to share your views. The right wing press have done there job well
But do you not realise for one moment that the judgements made do not only affect him, they affect YOU
So was it Abu Qatada then? I don't remember him being on the Underground.i kne albert davy said:Not the old right wing press again was it them blew people to pieces in London 8 years ago today
Imagine if you were being deported to North Korea. I agree that deportation should be an option, but your lack of concern indicates to me that you don't feel there should be checks and balances in place. What level of evidence should be required? Should the punishment they would be given be taken into account from a human rights perspective? Or should we just hand anyone over to anywhere that requests it?i kne albert davy said:being able to deport somebody who shouldn't have been here in the first bloody place don't affect me in the slightest i'm afraid
He's not the first person to get into the country, and to be honest if we prevent him from working we should be willing to foot the bill. He was never found guilty of a crime here.i kne albert davy said:the big inquiry should be how he ever got through passport control and his money draining clan as well.
Doesn't matter, cars are useful, apparently civil liberties and human rights are meaningless if the person hasn't proved their worth.gordondaviesmoustache said:How many people have died on the roads in the last eight years?
And yet if you halved the speed limit on all roads in the interests of "public safety", which it would doubtless assist btw, the general public would be up in arms.Skashion said:Doesn't matter, cars are useful, apparently civil liberties and human rights are meaningless if the person hasn't proved their worth.gordondaviesmoustache said:How many people have died on the roads in the last eight years?