Grenfell Tower block disaster

[journolud]

Another stabbing and its wall to wall cardboard box burning outrage....what a time to be alive...

It's entirley possible though to be appalled at the number of stabbings taking place and also be appalled at the mentality of this bonfire. Or do we have to choose. Also, although I have no direct evidence tosupport this claim it is possible that the police are investigating the latest stabbing as well as all the others that have taken place and that they could do that whilst other policemen interview the cunts that did the bonfire.

Both the bon fire and the stabbings are an illustration of the cheapness of life nowadays and the rottenness at the core of society. For what it's worth I don't think the bonfire people should be charged with any crime but we are told they handed themselves in. Rightly I hope that they are looking over their shoulders and worrying about what other retribuition might be coming their way.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

It's entirley possible though to be appalled at the number of stabbings taking place and also be appalled at the mentality of this bonfire. Or do we have to choose. Also, although I have no direct evidence tosupport this claim it is possible that the police are investigating the latest stabbing as well as all the others that have taken place and that they could do that whilst other policemen interview the cunts that did the bonfire.

Both the bon fire and the stabbings are an illustration of the cheapness of life nowadays and the rottenness at the core of society. For what it's worth I don't think the bonfire people should be charged with any crime but we are told they handed themselves in. Rightly I hope that they are looking over their shoulders and worrying about what other retribuition might be coming their way.

Fair enough. What are your feelings on the bonfire story being the lead story this morning and being given a hell of a lot more air time than the stabbing story? I was listening to the news this morning and it was jarring that they waffled on about this for ages and then talked about the stabbing for half the time at most. And then after the bulletin, pretty much all the focus was on this story. Felt like all sense of perspective had been lost which I feel an awful lot when I watch or listen to the news these days actually. People dying is less important than two people off Strictly being photographed kissing so I don't know why any of it still even registers with me.

 

[west didsblue]

Fair enough. What are your feelings on the bonfire story being the lead story this morning and being given a hell of a lot more air time than the stabbing story? I was listening to the news this morning and it was jarring that they waffled on about this for ages and then talked about the stabbing for half the time at most. And then after the bulletin, pretty much all the focus was on this story. Felt like all sense of perspective had been lost which I feel an awful lot when I watch or listen to the news these days actually. People dying is less important than two people off Strictly being photographed kissing so I don't know why any of it still even registers with me.

The sad reality is that a murder by stabbing is no longer national news due to the frequency of it happening. This bonfire effigy thing is news because it's not run of the mill. Obviously it's not as important as someone being stabbed but its more newsworthy. If news was prioritised in order of importance, the start of every news bulletin would focus on the 2 or 3 murders that happen in the UK every single day. The reality is that news about murders has long since been relegated to local news unless it's a child murder, police murder, terror related or topical due to certain aspects being in the news (e.g. knife murders in the capital in general).

 

[goater555]

It's the way they try to whip people up into a frenzy on subjects they choose that's the problem. If they had any morals they'd be digging shit deep into why the fire happened in the first place. Piers Morgan this morning was publicly asking his viewers for names and addresses so he could go public with it. What if some nutter went round and firebombed his/her house with kids in it? Slippery slope..

 

[journolud]

Fair enough. What are your feelings on the bonfire story being the lead story this morning and being given a hell of a lot more air time than the stabbing story? I was listening to the news this morning and it was jarring that they waffled on about this for ages and then talked about the stabbing for half the time at most. And then after the bulletin, pretty much all the focus was on this story. Felt like all sense of perspective had been lost which I feel an awful lot when I watch or listen to the news these days actually. People dying is less important than two people off Strictly being photographed kissing so I don't know why any of it still even registers with me.

@west didsblue has more or less answered this for me. How many stabbings in London this year? It will inevitably get less aand less air time the more commonplace it is, a fact of life nowadays that someone is going to lose their life everyday in this way. You could argue that the amount of airtime given to the bonfire was disproportionate and it is probably the tip of the iceberg in terms of stuff that goes on that we don't get to hear about but the fact is it happened, it's out there. The real story isn't just five morons thinking this was clever, it is the society that breeds this type of moron.

 

[west didsblue]

It's the way they try to whip people up into a frenzy on subjects they choose that's the problem. If they had any morals they'd be digging shit deep into why the fire happened in the first place. Piers Morgan this morning was publicly asking his viewers for names and addresses so he could go public with it. What if some nutter went round and firebombed his/her house with kids in it? Slippery slope..

I didn't have to dig too deep to work out it was bonfire night.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

@west didsblue has more or less answered this for me. How many stabbings in London this year? It will inevitably get less aand less air time the more commonplace it is, a fact of life nowadays that someone is going to lose their life everyday in this way. You could argue that the amount of airtime given to the bonfire was disproportionate and it is probably the tip of the iceberg in terms of stuff that goes on that we don't get to hear about but the fact is it happened, it's out there. The real story isn't just five morons thinking this was clever, it is the society that breeds this type of moron.

I am sure there have always been lots of morons doing stupid and offensive shit in their homes and gardens. The difference is that now society bothers to pay attention to them. I would find it ironic if people were really worried that society breeds this kind of moron and their way of dealing with it was to help it go viral and get said morons all over the national news. I am sure the prospect of 15 minutes of infamy really puts the next moron off doing something offensive.

 

[journolud]

It's the way they try to whip people up into a frenzy on subjects they choose that's the problem. If they had any morals they'd be digging shit deep into why the fire happened in the first place. Piers Morgan this morning was publicly asking his viewers for names and addresses so he could go public with it. What if some nutter went round and firebombed his/her house with kids in it? Slippery slope..

Hmm, think the public inquiry might be tasked with that.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Them cockneys could have made a night of it.

Done a cardboard Manchester Arena full of bangers.

 

[che_don_john]

Just seen the effigy video. I was quite taken aback by it and didn't expect to be that shocking - just expected to be some kind of very bad tatse, unfunny joke. If I didn't know any better I would have thought it was a Brass Eye-esque parody on how distasteful and disconnected people can be; even the jibes and lines the guy was throwing out sounded like a bad script.

But I'm not sure it's right that they are arrested if - and correct me if I'm wrong - the video was only shared among a group of friends. Had been put out in the public domain then I can understand why it might constitute a hate crime, but if it was meant for private use and only to be leaked to the press then I wonder if prosecuting them sets a bad precedent on how the state presides over private interactions.

Watching the video, the thing that really strikes me is how weird it is. Thinking of doing it in the first place is odd; putting in the effort to make it is baffling; and going through with burning and filming it is just utterly strange - and then you have all the comments and laughter on top of it all.

These are strange, weird, nasty people who obviously have a screw loose. But I'm not sure whether people should be prosecuted for be strange, nasty and weird. They're not public figures, just private morons. And I think another side effect of all of this is that we'll now likely have to put up with the likes of Tommy Robinson and Katie Hopkins misapproproating it all as some kind of free speech issue. I'm really hoping they prove me wrong. What a time to be alive.