It's my personal opinion after what I saw very shortly after the fire with my own eyes.
The tenants were complaining for weeks about the refurb which was going on at the time and the poor quality of workmanship etc
It's still happening. My own block is being refurbed and the quality of work and workers is appalling/scary.
The tenants were completely ignored and phase 2 of the inquiry will look at this in greater depth and detail so you'll have to wait I'm afaid for the real culprits to be outed.
Do you know more detail yourself?
I'm not entirely sure why you made that comment.
Cotton was quite happy to take the responsibility when the fire was happening, continually referring to them as “my officers” and saying what a fantastic job they were doing. They weren’t her officers, they were employees of the London Fire Service who were doing their jobs. However, if she wishes to take praise for a job well done she needs scrutinising for the events that didn’t go so well and surely she had input in the procedure for her Operatives who advised tenants to stay put for 2 hours. I don’t know her but as soon as I saw and heard her on TV I thought here’s another one who’s bullshitted her way up the career ladder (no pun intended).Fuck me they are going to town on this aren’t they, criminal negligence now, how about getting Boris back for closing all those stations etc, they are a set of cunts, they are nailing Cotton to a cross here, she maybe said one or two things wrong at the inquiry but hanging her out to dry like this is scandalous. Forget about her pension and everything, they are now turning the relatives on them. Politicians have done a proper stitch up here.
Completely agree as per my post just above yours :-).My advice to anyone .....if you live in a high rise block which is on fire....fuck the stay put policy (still on going)
If you can get out immediately and you are aware of a fire just get out if you can.
I live on the top floor.....I'd be gone
Absolutely agree, however at least she is staying to take the flack unlike the coward of the Manchester who after the bomb did one. Those procedures you talk about are tried and tested and they work like I said when the building has been built to spec, what you will probably find is the officers (the white hats) running round like headless chickens as the follow procedure, it you’ve now got them blaming the yellow helmets in the building for not rescuing people, they are told whether to evacuate or not as they don’t have the big picture.Cotton was quite happy to take the responsibility when the fire was happening, continually referring to them as “my officers” and saying what a fantastic job they were doing. They weren’t her officers, they were employees of the London Fire Service who were doing their jobs. However, if she wishes to take praise for a job well done she needs scrutinising for the events that didn’t go so well and surely she had input in the procedure for her Operatives who advised tenants to stay put for 2 hours. I don’t know her but as soon as I saw and heard her on TV I thought here’s another one who’s bullshitted her way up the career ladder (no pun intended).
Btw, after 9/11, anyone in a high rise building with an emergency going on should get the fuck out of there regardless of some fucking idiot on a telephone telling them to stay where they are.
The problem is these old high rise buildings have contractor after contractor in and out doing work......none of them give a fuck.Watching the relatives they’ve bought this hook line and sinker
Absolutely agree, however at least she is staying to take the flack unlike the coward of the Manchester who after the bomb did one. Those procedures you talk about are tried and tested and they work like I said when the building has been built to spec, what you will probably find is the officers (the white hats) running round like headless chickens as the follow procedure, it you’ve now got them blaming the yellow helmets in the building for not rescuing people, they are told whether to evacuate or not as they don’t have the big picture.
If the fire didn’t happen the way it did then there wouldn’t have been such a loss of life, wrong cladding, fire safety compromised in those flats that the brigade knew nothing about. The stay put policy is a sound advice when the buildings are built to the standards they should be, could they have evaluated sooner probably however i was not on the ground then. Cotton shouldn’t have said she wouldn’t have done things differently, she should have said, knowing what we know now then yes it couldn’t have been handle different. They are putting all the blame on the rescuers rather than the people who created the problem, ducking disgraceful and you won’t change my mind.
Not just the cladding.....many high rise blocks have old balconies filled in with panels.....They can go up too.Not going to pretend I've read the report. But I'd imagine the stay put advice and general fire brigade procedures would have worked fine if someone else hadn't turned the tower into a massive candle by cladding it in what was essentially a huge external wick/chimney.
plus existing forgotten about parts of the building hidden from view.It’s not just the cladding it’s the upgrades that compromised the integrity inside this allowed the fire go through the building not just up the outside that shouldn’t happen
What’s to gain by staying put? In my book nothing, it’s a no brainer, get out, go to the pub, cafe, friends place and if nothing happens go home, a little bit of inconvenience. Stake that against serious injury or death, there’s really only one option.Not going to pretend I've read the report. But I'd imagine the stay put advice and general fire brigade procedures would have worked fine if someone else hadn't turned the tower into a massive candle by cladding it in what was essentially a huge external wick/chimney.
There’s always some people who live the praise but when things go wrong blame someone else. I’ve not read into it as I guess you have but the blame culture will always exist.Watching the relatives they’ve bought this hook line and sinker
Absolutely agree, however at least she is staying to take the flack unlike the coward of the Manchester who after the bomb did one. Those procedures you talk about are tried and tested and they work like I said when the building has been built to spec, what you will probably find is the officers (the white hats) running round like headless chickens as the follow procedure, it you’ve now got them blaming the yellow helmets in the building for not rescuing people, they are told whether to evacuate or not as they don’t have the big picture.
Yep......sadly this doesn't work for disabled unfortunately.What’s to gain by staying put? In my book nothing, it’s a no brainer, get out, go to the pub, cafe, friends place and if nothing happens go home, a little bit of inconvenience. Stake that against serious injury or death, there’s really only one option.
Indeed, especially if it's a weatherspoons and the toilets are upstairsYep......sadly this doesn't work for disabled unfortunately.
yeahIndeed, especially if it's a weatherspoons and the toilets are upstairs
Quite. I think the building regs/ initial construction would have made 'stay put' a sound policy as you'd have babies, elderly, disabled etc spread right through a building like grenfell. It seems like the cladding caused the fire to spread in a way it otherwise wouldn't which makes stay put (in hindsight) a flawed decision.yeah
On a serious note the lifts cannot be used in a fire so those who cannot walk are donald ducked