Grenfell Tower block disaster

[cleavers]

It is truly pissing me off this belief by elements on the left that cladding was put on buildings to 'gentrify' buildings and make them look nicer.
The cladding was put on so the buildings would become energy efficient and help reduce the countries CO2 emissions - if it made the buildings look nicer as a result of this great but it's all down to the UK trying to meet emissions targets. Subsequent to these decisions, anybody who wouldn't think that that the owners - mainly councils - wouldn't try and do this at the lowest price possible is living in cloud cuckoo land

Correct, its already been said plenty in this thread, but largely ignored.

Many of these 60/70's buildings were badly built, they leaked, had little or no insulation, and were damp to the point of being unhealthy, so the cladding was there to improve the situation greatly, until it became obvious about 10 days ago, that many of these councils went for the cheapest improvements possible, and now looking like some/many were illegal or unsafe.

Politically nobody is getting away with this, its a huge can of worms for all parties.

 

[johnmc]

Pretty sure its now a condition of planning consent, that any large development must include social housing.

I live in a development of 400 flats, and I think 10% had to be social housing.

Not sure it's a condition as such but possibly planning often only permitted if it includes it. Some get through without it I think.

 

[cleavers]

Not sure it's a condition as such but possibly planning often only permitted if it includes it. Some get through without it I think.

Yes you could be right, I'm sure there are people who know the rules on here though @worsleyweb

 

[hilts]

Yes you could be right, I'm sure there are people who know the rules on here though @worsleyweb

Like I said earlier social housing and affordable housing are miles apart, what this comes under I do not know.

 

[yeseye]

I can't understand what the problem is.
There is a development of social housing ready for folk to move in to, so it makes perfect sense to house these families there.
I bet these yuppies who are complaining were down the community centre with their donations and flowers the morning after the fire showing a community spirit but god forbid if they move in a few doors down from the elite. Disgusting people.

 

[worsleyweb]

Yes you could be right, I'm sure there are people who know the rules on here though @worsleyweb

Not generally in manchester - general rule is that a section 106 payment is made for every apartment you build you pay 5000 (max) to a contribution towards an affordable housing pot. All depends on how viable your scheme is though. There will be a huge emphasis under Andy burnham to divert funds from the devolution housing fund to a social housing programme. Not easy to implement though.

 

[hilts]

I can't understand what the problem is.
There is a development of social housing ready for folk to move in to, so it makes perfect sense to house these families there.
I bet these yuppies who are complaining were down the community centre with their donations and flowers the morning after the fire showing a community spirit but god forbid if they move in a few doors down from the elite. Disgusting people.

are you a yuppie?

 

[yeseye]

are you a yuppie?

Yeah.

 

[cleavers]

Like I said earlier social housing and affordable housing are miles apart

Fair point, I know where I live that its 10% social housing from 400 apartments (not high rise).

 

[hilts]

Yeah.

Liar liar pants on

 

[cleavers]

Not generally in manchester - general rule is that a section 106 payment is made for every apartment you build you pay 5000 (max) to a contribution towards an affordable housing pot. All depends on how viable your scheme is though.

Thanks, I have no idea what a section 106 payment is, but as discussed above there is a difference between "social" and "affordable", which I hadn't really thought of.

 

[worsleyweb]

Thanks, I have no idea what a section 106 payment is, but as discussed above there is a difference between "social" and "affordable", which I hadn't really thought of.

Section 106 - is basically giving the council money in lieu of providing an affordable element in your scheme.

They can then use that for affordable / social housing.

 

[cleavers]

Section 106 - is basically giving the council money in lieu of providing an affordable element in your scheme.

They can then use that for affordable / social housing.

Thanks.

 

[cibaman]

Diane Abbott and numbers who the fuck would believe her? I think there will be a lot more than 79 but she's stirring up stuff that doesn't need to happen right now.

I agree, but I'm beginning to think the authorities could do a bit more to quell some of the conspiracy theories. At the moment there seems to be something of an information vacuum. Clearly they shouldn't be guessing numbers, but perhaps they could be a bit more forthcoming about where they are in the process of recovering bodies from the building. For example, have they yet gained access to and inspected every flat or are there floors that are still too dangerous to access?

 

[Blue Maverick]

So last night a friend in the LFB sent me some pictures from inside the tower nothing graphic but relating to firefighter things and bloody hell there's stuff there I didn't know about. Also there is a lot more than 79 in there, a lot more unfortunately the true number may never be known as a lot have been turned to ash.

 

[manchester blue]

It was a woman and yes I can blame her, I can also criticise her.

When someone is more concerned that there service charges may go up, than the deaths of 79 people.
yes I can blame her.

God forbid it affects the price of someones second home.

Welcome to Katie Hopkins England

And considering the flats were always intended as social housing, then either her solicitor should have informed her, or she's extremely stupid.

They weren't intended as social housing. They were intended for affordable housing, for someone to buy and love. I manage social blocks and like it or not a proportion of tenants don't give a shit about their homes or neighbourhoods. In the last two months we have had people pissing in lifts. People putting out cigarettes on carpets. People throwing washing machines down stairs, causing damage to walls, because "it was too heavy to carry down". People leaving furniture they no longer want in fire escape routes. Dogs let out in internal communal areas to, well you know.

Most tenants are great but the minority cause issues which increase service charges they don't pay. I understand this woman's position.

 

[tshirtman]

They weren't intended as social housing. They were intended for affordable housing, for someone to buy and love. I manage social blocks and like it or not a proportion of tenants don't give a shit about their homes or neighbourhoods. In the last two months we have had people pissing in lifts. People putting out cigarettes on carpets. People throwing washing machines down stairs, causing damage to walls, because "it was too heavy to carry down". People leaving furniture they no longer want in fire escape routes. Dogs let out in internal communal areas to, well you know.

Most tenants are great but the minority cause issues which increase service charges they don't pay. I understand this woman's position.

So because of the misdeeds of an few individuals, you believe 100s of people should be left to rot.

also explain the difference between social housing & affordable housing?
Either way her solicitor should have informed her when she purchased the flat so it's her own fault.

 

[quiet_riot]

Just read on twitter that every piece of cladding across the UK tested so far has failed safety checks.

 

[mancityvstoke]

They weren't intended as social housing. They were intended for affordable housing, for someone to buy and love. I manage social blocks and like it or not a proportion of tenants don't give a shit about their homes or neighbourhoods. In the last two months we have had people pissing in lifts. People putting out cigarettes on carpets. People throwing washing machines down stairs, causing damage to walls, because "it was too heavy to carry down". People leaving furniture they no longer want in fire escape routes. Dogs let out in internal communal areas to, well you know.

Most tenants are great but the minority cause issues which increase service charges they don't pay. I understand this woman's position.

Fuck me sounds rough there

Leeds?


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[manchester blue]

So because of the misdeeds of an few individuals, you believe 100s of people should be left to rot.

also explain the difference between social housing & affordable housing?
Either way her solicitor should have informed her when she purchased the flat so it's her own fault.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

Affordable Housing - for people on low/medium to buy an own their first property. Social Housing for rent by registered providers to rent below market rates to those who otherwise would not afford a mortgage.

So there's a big difference and she would have been well aware that affordable housing was part of the scheme and social was not.