looking at the bayern side, if Robben, Ribery, Kingsley and Douglas are the wide men and Thiago plays slightly deeper than Mueller, then it might just be another 4-2-3-1 were talking about and whilst players' positions are more dynamic than formation stereotypes, especially with Pep, you tend to see players more in certain positions than other places e.g. it's a banker that in a match you'll tend to see David Alaba plying his trade more on the left hand side of the pitch than on the right.4141 is more similar to 433 than 4231