Had to repay £100 today

[KPXBLN]

Rascal, have you spoke to the CAB or someone like that? I've no idea what the situation is with regard to your rights and your DLA, but they could clarify things for you. My mum works for Manchester Advice* (part of Manchester City Council social work) based at Christie Hospital, as part of a team that advises patients about things like DLA as many of them are newly disabled as a result of their illness. Perhaps they might have summat similar at Hope?

*Incidentally as an example of the effect of post-2010 cuts, the whole of Manchester Advice was closed down due to a lack of funds. My mum's team only survived because the Christie agreed to keep them on as part of the hospital and pay them through the NHS.

Lets just step back and look at whats being asked for, the benefits paid to you include an amount to feed yourself (Yes, I know its shit), because you have been in hospital more than 50 days you have not had to spend money on food, heating, lighting, and the other things that add up when your at home, and are expected to make a contribution for your keep.

I say contribution because while it may be true the cost per day for meals may well be only 1.17, the true cost if you include the staff, heating, right down to the plate, knife, and fork have to be paid for you can bet its a lot more.

Had they said to you we will deduct 2 quid a day while you are in I doubt you would have seen this as so unfair, its because they demand it as a lump sum it looks so unreasonable, so contact them and explain that due to your limited income you will struggle to pay it back and ask what they suggest.

There are a lot of things in the benefit system that are grossly unfair but this aint one of them,

I assume you are able bodied and pay for yourself day to day with a wage? So if you went to hospital for a long period would you expect to be charged for your meals? Because that's the same logic that you're applying here. Your wage is the money you live off - the DLA is the money the OP lives off.

 

[Rascal]

Rascal, have you spoke to the CAB or someone like that? I've no idea what the situation is with regard to your rights and your DLA, but they could clarify things for you. My mum works for Manchester Advice* (part of Manchester City Council social work) based at Christie Hospital, as part of a team that advises patients about things like DLA as many of them are newly disabled as a result of their illness. Perhaps they might have summat similar at Hope?

*Incidentally as an example of the effect of post-2010 cuts, the whole of Manchester Advice was closed down due to a lack of funds. My mum's team only survived because the Christie agreed to keep them on as part of the hospital and pay them through the NHS.

Lets just step back and look at whats being asked for, the benefits paid to you include an amount to feed yourself (Yes, I know its shit), because you have been in hospital more than 50 days you have not had to spend money on food, heating, lighting, and the other things that add up when your at home, and are expected to make a contribution for your keep.

I say contribution because while it may be true the cost per day for meals may well be only 1.17, the true cost if you include the staff, heating, right down to the plate, knife, and fork have to be paid for you can bet its a lot more.

Had they said to you we will deduct 2 quid a day while you are in I doubt you would have seen this as so unfair, its because they demand it as a lump sum it looks so unreasonable, so contact them and explain that due to your limited income you will struggle to pay it back and ask what they suggest.

There are a lot of things in the benefit system that are grossly unfair but this aint one of them,

I assume you are able bodied and pay for yourself day to day with a wage? So if you went to hospital for a long period would you expect to be charged for your meals? Because that's the same logic that you're applying here. Your wage is the money you live off - the DLA is the money the OP lives off.

Thanks mate, i thought it about, but the consequences worry me so much.

I look like a cheat as i havent played by the rules, albeit rules i wasnt aware of. Think its best i take the sanction and move on lesson learned. Next time i go in hozzy i will ne nagging the docs to get me home rather than living the life of luxury that the DWP obviously assume it is.

 

[metalblue]

Lets just step back and look at whats being asked for, the benefits paid to you include an amount to feed yourself (Yes, I know its shit), because you have been in hospital more than 50 days you have not had to spend money on food, heating, lighting, and the other things that add up when your at home, and are expected to make a contribution for your keep.

I say contribution because while it may be true the cost per day for meals may well be only 1.17, the true cost if you include the staff, heating, right down to the plate, knife, and fork have to be paid for you can bet its a lot more.

Had they said to you we will deduct 2 quid a day while you are in I doubt you would have seen this as so unfair, its because they demand it as a lump sum it looks so unreasonable, so contact them and explain that due to your limited income you will struggle to pay it back and ask what they suggest.

There are a lot of things in the benefit system that are grossly unfair but this aint one of them,

I think it grossly unfair. The lad's ill and required 50 day's worth of hospital treatment, so clearly not 'swinging the lead'. The point of the National Health Service (I was always lead to believe) was free healthcare at the point of delivery for all. I thought the point of the Welfare State was to look after those less fortunate (apologies for the use of the phrase).

So how is this helping Rascal?

Deducting the money at source could potentially lead him into a spiral of debt. Worse still he could forego things in order to compensate for the loss of money. What if he decides to forego a meal a day to help cover the cost? All that will happen is he will end up back in hospital. The fact he has posted about this shows he is anxious about it, possibly stressed. How is that helping his condition/illness?

I might be being completely niaive here, but I think it is demonstrably unfair.

I don't think it's "unfair" per-se I'm more sickened by the fact my tax has gone towards paying probably an army of consultants to a) come up with the idea and b) work out a £1.17 per day charge-back. Of all the things to "pick on" this just smacks of a total lack of intelligence or compassion.

 

[Rascal]

I don't think it's "unfair" per-se I'm more sickened by the fact my tax has gone towards paying probably an army of consultants to a) come up with the idea and b) work out a £1.17 per day charge-back. Of all the things to "pick on" this just smacks of a total lack of intelligence or compassion.

I would totally agree mate.

My DLA helps me run my car, its the biggest portion of it, without my car im fucked basically. I cant walk to the shops near me anymore most days. But when im in hozzy my insurance still has to be paid. Perhaps i need to get rid of the car i love and get a mobility car but i still dont know if that would hurt me.

Im sat at home now obviously and treated myself to 8 cans of strongbow because i can sometimes, i have a pack of fags (needed big time) and im OK but there are people in far worse places than me.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Cu*t of a country and why I'm seriously considering getting the fuck out- don't take this the wrong way rasc and i won't take no for an answer but I'd like to give you the £100, can't abide shit like this..... Keep your chin up and don't let feckers grind you down!

Pm me

 

[Rascal]

Cu*t of a country and why I'm seriously considering getting the fuck out- don't take this the wrong way rasc and i won't take no for an answer but I'd like to give you the £100, can't abide shit like this..... Keep your chin up and don't let feckers grind you down!

Pm me

Thanks Zin but no, i didnt post this asking for cash. I have my pride mate

I I just wanted people to be aware of what happens in the real world. So much is in the papers about scroungers and it hurts

 

[andyhinch]

Cu*t of a country and why I'm seriously considering getting the fuck out- don't take this the wrong way rasc and i won't take no for an answer but I'd like to give you the £100, can't abide shit like this..... Keep your chin up and don't let feckers grind you down!

Pm me

Thanks Zin but no, i didnt post this asking for cash. I have my pride mate

I I just wanted people to be aware of what happens in the real world. So much is in the papers about scroungers and it hurts

Fuck that your going to be rich, joking aside I'm happier giving a few quid to a blue who's been a bit shafted than some faceless charity

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Cu*t of a country and why I'm seriously considering getting the fuck out- don't take this the wrong way rasc and i won't take no for an answer but I'd like to give you the £100, can't abide shit like this..... Keep your chin up and don't let feckers grind you down!

Pm me

Thanks Zin but no, i didnt post this asking for cash. I have my pride mate

I I just wanted people to be aware of what happens in the real world. So much is in the papers about scroungers and it hurts

Mate it's not like that at all, Breaks my heart shit like this, and I had no intention of offending you but it's a personal thing with me, it's something I'd like to do and in no way should it be seen as anything other than as someone who owes people like yourself!

 

[stonerblue]

dirty fucking bastards.

using their logic i reckon they owe me a ton for doing all their work for the last 4 months.

 

[SWP's back]

dirty fucking bastards.

using their logic i reckon they owe me a ton for doing all their work for the last 4 months.

Are you not getting a carers allowance mate (not that it covers fuck all but still)