Hard To Be Here

VOOMER said:
Ti's but a game.
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trouble our sense of humour has gone too many scared of mates ripping piss out of them because they been doing it from relative safetyof winning
same with transfer window someone posts in good faith X is signing off they go to mates taking piss the it doesnt happen so toys out the pram
most of shite posted on here do the honestly think pep reads it lol

in way now be happy when hes gone an reality sinks in to loads of posters
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
I think there's quite a bit of frustration, and some things that are hard to fathom, certainly for me. I'm not a vocal critic of players on here but I don't see it in Rico as a first team player, why haven't we bought a right back? Why have we just given Dias a new contract? Why is the keeper situation in limbo after 2 games?

Why did we look so tactically inept today? We couldn't play out from the back, yet when we went long there were no other players close to Haaland to fight for the second ball, that's schoolboy stuff.

We've been poor against good teams for a while now, yes we can outplay the cannon fodder team's but against the good teams it's becoming a struggle.
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All these points are valid to raise and discuss. It seems that some people can6't bring themselves to ask these questions and debate them. While personal abuse of playerts and coahes is unacceptable the asking of hard questions and pointing out defects should be encouraged. I guess there is just different types of people in this world.
 
Dodge said:
At the next FOC AGM I'll be nominating you for honorary membership. Great post which mostly reflects my attitude to our current state of affairs.

Istanbul was cathartic for many of my generation. At the final whistle, the unbridled joy wasn't a sea of limbs and guttural passion. It was deep and personal. It was about remembering lost family and friends who didn't get to experience the fulfilment of that moment. The grumpiest of knarled, battle-hardened old Blues were looking to the skies above the stadium with minds elsewhere. Grown men in tears hugging lifelong friends. A mixture of disbelief, emotion and appreciation for what those magnificent players on the pitch had done for us. A special, special moment that would never be beaten. For me, that was it. Job done. We could finally look the tramps just outside Manchester, squarely in the eye and beat them with the same stick they'd been beating us with for decades. The coming season we could dish cold revenge in spades to Villa fans. Forest fans. Dippers. We'd won the European Cup, the one thing those small-time tossers had on us.

That balmy night in Istanbul changed everything. The Club became a global phenomenon, the batten passed to a new type of City fan and the rest is history.
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It was deep and personal. It was about remembering lost family and friends who didn't get to experience the fulfilment of that moment. The grumpiest of knarled, battle-hardened old Blues were looking to the skies above the stadium with minds elsewhere.
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Spot on…. That was me too.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The fundamental issue is that some fans kidded themselves into the notion that winning the title every season was the norm and it would simply continue forever, and they are struggling to process the fact that this was simply an illusion.
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Very true that.

The funny thing is that most of us old buggers on here no doubt thought that the 1980s and 90s were the norm, and that they would simply continue forever. It certainly seemed like it.

I still pinch myself to make sure that the last 15 years haven't been an illusion.
 
Lavinda Past said:
Very true that.

The funny thing is that most of us old buggers on here no doubt thought that the 1980s and 90s were the norm, and that they would simply continue forever. It certainly seemed like it.

I still pinch myself to make sure that the last 15 years haven't been an illusion.
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Thing is, we had more good times in the ‘80s than the vast majority of football fans.

We had an FA Cup Final, a League Cup Semi Final, a couple of quarter finals, Charlton, Bradford, the 5-1, Trevor Francis, Kazimierz Deyna, beating Liverpool on Boxing Day in 1981 and 1985, drawing at Old Trafford after being 2-0 down and playing in a Micky Mouse Cup Final the next day. Gordon Davies and Mark Lillis!

Plenty of great memories.

Plenty of football fans never get to experience all that in a lifetime.

So maybe it wasn’t that bad.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Thing is, we had more good times in the ‘80s than the vast majority of football fans.

We had an FA Cup Final, a League Cup Semi Final, a couple of quarter finals, Charlton, Bradford, the 5-1, Trevor Francis, Kazimierz Deyna, beating Liverpool on Boxing Day in 1981 and 1985, drawing at Old Trafford after being 2-0 down and playing in a Micky Mouse Cup Final the next day. Gordon Davies and Mark Lillis!

Plenty of great memories.

Plenty of football fans never get to experience all that in a lifetime.

So maybe it wasn’t that bad.
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And we had the respect of every single oppo supporter wherever we went (with 2 exceptions). Even journalists had a soft spot for us.

Compare and contrast to the hate we get now.
 
Dodge said:
At the next FOC AGM I'll be nominating you for honorary membership. Great post which mostly reflects my attitude to our current state of affairs.

Istanbul was cathartic for many of my generation. At the final whistle, the unbridled joy wasn't a sea of limbs and guttural passion. It was deep and personal. It was about remembering lost family and friends who didn't get to experience the fulfilment of that moment. The grumpiest of knarled, battle-hardened old Blues were looking to the skies above the stadium with minds elsewhere. Grown men in tears hugging lifelong friends. A mixture of disbelief, emotion and appreciation for what those magnificent players on the pitch had done for us. A special, special moment that would never be beaten. For me, that was it. Job done. We could finally look the tramps just outside Manchester, squarely in the eye and beat them with the same stick they'd been beating us with for decades. The coming season we could dish cold revenge in spades to Villa fans. Forest fans. Dippers. We'd won the European Cup, the one thing those small-time tossers had on us.

That balmy night in Istanbul changed everything. The Club became a global phenomenon, the batten passed to a new type of City fan and the rest is history.
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I can't help but agree with all of the above. Istanbul will live long in my memory. The craziness of Nevizade Street, the togetherness amongst all Blues that were there to witness history unfold at the Attaturk and having two sessions on the beer in 24 hours.
Can't help but feel that part of me was left behind in Istanbul over two years ago. It was as if the job was done and our Everest was scaled......after all, getting to base camp was only a pipe dream 20 years ago !
We go again this season, but something has definitely felt different since that June evening in 2023.
 
Dodge said:
And we had the respect of every single oppo supporter wherever we went (with 2 exceptions). Even journalists had a soft spot for us.

Compare and contrast to the hate we get now.
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The hate is because City have win so much. Four in a row, six out of seven, a first domestic treble, a Continental treble.

City didn’t have the ‘respect’ from anyone in the George Poyser era, or in the days of revolving managers whose tenure was often measured in weeks rather than years (Steve Coppell was the exception lasting days). They were a laughing stock to many.

There seems to be a lot of self-loathing ‘supporters’ on here cheered on by a few undercover Dippers and Rags. Add in the tactical genius types who are confident that they could sort out City in days, presumably by binning 75% of the current squad and this site is becoming toxic to genuine supporters.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The fundamental issue is that some fans kidded themselves into the notion that winning the title every season was the norm and it would simply continue forever, and they are struggling to process the fact that this was simply an illusion.
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Hmmmmmmm, begrudgingly you usually read the room perfectly well. Not sure on this one. The issue is more that we managed to shoot ourselves in the foot and made bad (or didn't make) decisions to remain as competitive from a position of strength. Hamstrung ourselves.
 
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GaudinoMotors said:
Hmmmmmmm, begrudgingly you usually read the room perfectly well. Not sure on this one. The issue is more that we managed to shoot ourselves in the foot and made bad (or didn't make) decisions to remain as competitive from a position of strength. Hamstrung ourselves.
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Thanks for your kind, and well judged comments about my ability to read a room.

I accept that mistakes have been made, but all organisations make mistakes. All organisations shoot themselves in the foot. Squad rebuilding is an art not a science.

And most organisations falter from time to time because of the decisions they have made. Why would Manchester City be any different?

The things you speak of were all bound to happen eventually.

I’m just grateful that they did after winning four in a row.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The fundamental issue is that some fans kidded themselves into the notion that winning the title every season was the norm and it would simply continue forever, and they are struggling to process the fact that this was simply an illusion.
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Are you sure it's about winning? Perhaps it's about the difference in footballing style from seasons before. For example, I don't recall (although could be mistaken) that there was this level of frustration during 2019/20 when we were never going to win the league (we lost by 18pts) and lost out in the UCL. But man we played some fun football and scored goals galore.

It seems to be the narrative driven by those upset by the young 'uns that said young 'uns expect to win. It's obviously not the case for some of us. Some of us find the football so soporific now, so completely opposite from previous iterations of city that it becomes mixed up with those labelled "entitled".
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Thanks for your kind, and well judged comments about my ability to read a room.

I accept that mistakes have been made, but all organisations make mistakes. All organisations shoot themselves in the foot. Squad rebuilding is an art not a science.

And most organisations falter from time to time because of the decisions they have made. Why would Manchester City be any different?

The things you speak of were all bound to happen eventually.

I’m just grateful that they did after winning four in a row.
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Ahhh the room is read.
 
Mike N said:
This place has got so moaning and needy that it’s getting difficult to stay on. Every single thread has moaning and negative comments. For example, the North Stand thread, even there the moaning is strong.

Every player, everything Pep or the club does gets criticised.

I’m so glad I don’t sit next to some of the cry-babies on here. No wonder we’ve lost lots of intelligent, respectful former posters.
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Just seen this post Michael, couldn't agree more.
 
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