Here we go ...

pirate said:
pirate said:
Markt85 said:
before i get an answer for you...

for my understanding, what is the flawed logic of being taught free will with an Omniscient and Omnipotent God ?

im thick

OK, I am going to refer to god in the male form but dont discount he could be a she or asexual

An Omniscient god knows everything, past present and future.
An Omnipotent god can do anything.
He makes everyone, he makes all facets of them and because he is omniscient he knows exactly what they will do in their whole lives, even before he makes them. And because he is omnipotent he has the power to make them different, so they would have different lives. He chooses which one he makes, he chooses the life they live and the choices they make. He knows all this before he makes them. If there is an omniscient and omnipotent god then free will is not possible as god has mapped your actions before he makes you.

Markt85, I am v disappointed, was hoping for a bit of insight.
Maybe he's just overfaced with the thought of all the work involved.

Some religions/philosophies have a creator who takes no further interest in 'his' creation. A bit like the man who digs a hole and goes away, and then plants and insects and frogs and newts move in and live there; it is a well known fact that some frogs venerate humans as gods.

My point is that whilst, I'm sure, we can all agree that our universe has come into existence, it is not necessary to then conclude that whatever created it takes a continuing interest in it, let alone determines its continuing development. That there is a meddling god in the Judeo-Christian religion is of course of great benefit to the priests as they became the only ones who could communicate directly with 'god' - just read the early parts of the old testament and see how the nature of god changed over time from animism (a very basic type of religion common throughout the world) where natural entities have spirits, like talking snakes and talking bushes, through god talking directly to people, to god existing behind a curtain where only the priests could go.
 
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