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"here's to you Vincent Kompany"
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Re: Well Said Vinny
I'm about as far from "buying the hype" as one could be, but neither do I bury my head in the sand and wish away my troubles!
I didn't say they wouldn't be 10 pts behind us at the end of the season, or that they would win the League, but I AM SAYING that you disregard them at your peril, especially with plenty of time left in the window and money on the table. By the same token, it is irrelevant that we have beaten them handsomely for a few years now, because it is not an us vs them equation. Over the course of the season, they rarely lose to bottom teams and are usually very competitive against the top teams. Last season was a history making anomaly that is unlikely to be repeated any time soon. So, if they are above 7th, they are in the mix for Top Four, aren't they?
They already have the framework of a top quality team (De Gea, Mata, Herrera, Rooney, RVP) and will have ZERO European distractions this season, which none of their main rivals can say before Christmas. Their defence is seriously threadbare, but I've thought that for a few seasons now. Who would have thought that Evans would have been a stalwart for them for the last few seasons?!
Like I said, I hope they are 5th at best, but that is not a given unless City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all perform consistently and Everton and Spurs do not measurably improve.
Didsbury Dave said:ChicagoBlue said:Firstly, excellent response from Captain Kompany (should be a Marvel Super Hero!), as always. Proud o have such a high quality PERSON as our Captain and Leader.
Secondly, it is delusional to think Man Utd are not now, or ever again, going to be one of our primary competitors for the premier league. Yes, they look like a team in transition, as they were left wanting by Fergie and Moyes was not up to the task. However, with the money they have at their disposal and a world class manager in Van Gaal, it is inevitable that they will be there or thereabouts. This season might be slightly more difficult than next, and certain more difficult than subsequent seasons.
It is clear that there are now only a handful of teams that can expect the success and spending needed to sustain it. The Premier League has turned into a three part drama, where 6-7 teams compete for the League and CL positions, another 6-7 will find themselves "relatively safe" after Christmas, and the other 7 or so will fight it out for who goes down and who survives. For me, those 6-7 are City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United, with Everton and Spurs able to compete on any given day, but rarely carrying periods of "form" through to its conclusion, but able to compete for a Euro place.
In all honesty, this season looks like 4 from 5 for the Champions League, and it is IMPERATIVE that City is one of those 4. Beyond that, it is impossible to know who will get injured, who will win the big games between the Top 6, and who will have those surprise losses to the bottom 6 clubs.
So, City have definitely made it INTO the top echelon of clubs and have the resources to maintain that position, but there are really FIVE clubs that consider themselves members of that top echelon of clubs and that will not be able to be maintained without CL football and the monies AND PLAYERS it brings with it.
So, more interesting to me is not whether United will challenge or not (because they will!), but which of the BIG FIVE will not be in the TOP FOUR??? I hope it is United, but I don't know who it will be....or care too much, as long as it is not City.
You see, so many of you buy the hype and overstate them.
There's not one United player would get in our team. Not one. That says it all. They are miles behind them, that's why we've comfortably outplayed them every derby for the last four years.
They'll rebuild, and they'll get back into contention. But not for a while.
I'm about as far from "buying the hype" as one could be, but neither do I bury my head in the sand and wish away my troubles!
I didn't say they wouldn't be 10 pts behind us at the end of the season, or that they would win the League, but I AM SAYING that you disregard them at your peril, especially with plenty of time left in the window and money on the table. By the same token, it is irrelevant that we have beaten them handsomely for a few years now, because it is not an us vs them equation. Over the course of the season, they rarely lose to bottom teams and are usually very competitive against the top teams. Last season was a history making anomaly that is unlikely to be repeated any time soon. So, if they are above 7th, they are in the mix for Top Four, aren't they?
They already have the framework of a top quality team (De Gea, Mata, Herrera, Rooney, RVP) and will have ZERO European distractions this season, which none of their main rivals can say before Christmas. Their defence is seriously threadbare, but I've thought that for a few seasons now. Who would have thought that Evans would have been a stalwart for them for the last few seasons?!
Like I said, I hope they are 5th at best, but that is not a given unless City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool all perform consistently and Everton and Spurs do not measurably improve.
Nixon_The_Bike_Thief
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Re: Well Said Vinny
Are you a woman of pensionable age ?
Marvin said:I'd take Rooney, but not RVP
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Re: Well Said Vinny
Veni, vici, Vinnie!
Veni, vici, Vinnie!
MaxCityBlue
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Re: Well Said Vinny
There is an irrefutable law in physics "what goes up must come down" and the rags have been flying high for over two decades now. Vinnie eluded to this in his interview this morning when he said "things go in phases". There has been a general consensus (both red and blue) that once Baconface left the club the cracks would start to appear.
Personally I have predicted that it will be at least ten years before the rags get their hands on the league title again. This isn't based on wishful thinking it's more to do with the seismic shift in mentality. They are now like the school bully who finds himself in a new school surrounded by bigger kids.
ChicagoBlue said:Firstly, excellent response from Captain Kompany (should be a Marvel Super Hero!), as always. Proud o have such a high quality PERSON as our Captain and Leader.
Secondly, it is delusional to think Man Utd are not now, or ever again, going to be one of our primary competitors for the premier league. Yes, they look like a team in transition, as they were left wanting by Fergie and Moyes was not up to the task. However, with the money they have at their disposal and a world class manager in Van Gaal, it is inevitable that they will be there or thereabouts. This season might be slightly more difficult than next, and certain more difficult than subsequent seasons.
It is clear that there are now only a handful of teams that can expect the success and spending needed to sustain it. The Premier League has turned into a three part drama, where 6-7 teams compete for the League and CL positions, another 6-7 will find themselves "relatively safe" after Christmas, and the other 7 or so will fight it out for who goes down and who survives. For me, those 6-7 are City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United, with Everton and Spurs able to compete on any given day, but rarely carrying periods of "form" through to its conclusion, but able to compete for a Euro place.
In all honesty, this season looks like 4 from 5 for the Champions League, and it is IMPERATIVE that City is one of those 4. Beyond that, it is impossible to know who will get injured, who will win the big games between the Top 6, and who will have those surprise losses to the bottom 6 clubs.
So, City have definitely made it INTO the top echelon of clubs and have the resources to maintain that position, but there are really FIVE clubs that consider themselves members of that top echelon of clubs and that will not be able to be maintained without CL football and the monies AND PLAYERS it brings with it.
So, more interesting to me is not whether United will challenge or not (because they will!), but which of the BIG FIVE will not be in the TOP FOUR??? I hope it is United, but I don't know who it will be....or care too much, as long as it is not City.
There is an irrefutable law in physics "what goes up must come down" and the rags have been flying high for over two decades now. Vinnie eluded to this in his interview this morning when he said "things go in phases". There has been a general consensus (both red and blue) that once Baconface left the club the cracks would start to appear.
Personally I have predicted that it will be at least ten years before the rags get their hands on the league title again. This isn't based on wishful thinking it's more to do with the seismic shift in mentality. They are now like the school bully who finds himself in a new school surrounded by bigger kids.
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Re: Well Said Vinny
But don't forget they don't play us every week. Just because a team is miles better than another, doesn't mean they will be miles ahead of them in the table. Last season, from our best XI, i wouldn't have taken any Liverpool players for our team (Suarez if he wasn't a lunatic!) and they only blew the title in the last few weeks. I kept thinking around Christmas "they'll be nowhere near the top, their players and depth of their squad is very poor for a title challenging team" but if Gerrard hadn't slipped, it's likely they'd have won the league. There are 15-16 teams United are better than where they can pick up points to try and challenge for something. That's 90 points they can play for where they'd expect to win. Like last season, Liverpool always seemed to win against the teams worse than them, putting them at the top going into April because they'd only lost to us and Chelsea for months. Plus having no European competition means they can play their strongest team every week in the Prem (something that will hinder Everton big time next season as their squad depth is none existent).
I'm not saying United will emulate Liverpool's season from last season but talent on the pitch in a head to head against one individual team is one thing, but there are 20 teams in the Prem. Some of them are shite. So teams like United will always have a chance of picking up a lot of points. The best team doesn't always win the league, just the team that picks up the most points. And our injury record in the last two years has nearly been as bad as Arsenal's!
That is certainly true.Didsbury Dave said:ChicagoBlue said:Firstly, excellent response from Captain Kompany (should be a Marvel Super Hero!), as always. Proud o have such a high quality PERSON as our Captain and Leader.
Secondly, it is delusional to think Man Utd are not now, or ever again, going to be one of our primary competitors for the premier league. Yes, they look like a team in transition, as they were left wanting by Fergie and Moyes was not up to the task. However, with the money they have at their disposal and a world class manager in Van Gaal, it is inevitable that they will be there or thereabouts. This season might be slightly more difficult than next, and certain more difficult than subsequent seasons.
It is clear that there are now only a handful of teams that can expect the success and spending needed to sustain it. The Premier League has turned into a three part drama, where 6-7 teams compete for the League and CL positions, another 6-7 will find themselves "relatively safe" after Christmas, and the other 7 or so will fight it out for who goes down and who survives. For me, those 6-7 are City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United, with Everton and Spurs able to compete on any given day, but rarely carrying periods of "form" through to its conclusion, but able to compete for a Euro place.
In all honesty, this season looks like 4 from 5 for the Champions League, and it is IMPERATIVE that City is one of those 4. Beyond that, it is impossible to know who will get injured, who will win the big games between the Top 6, and who will have those surprise losses to the bottom 6 clubs.
So, City have definitely made it INTO the top echelon of clubs and have the resources to maintain that position, but there are really FIVE clubs that consider themselves members of that top echelon of clubs and that will not be able to be maintained without CL football and the monies AND PLAYERS it brings with it.
So, more interesting to me is not whether United will challenge or not (because they will!), but which of the BIG FIVE will not be in the TOP FOUR??? I hope it is United, but I don't know who it will be....or care too much, as long as it is not City.
You see, so many of you buy the hype and overstate them.
There's not one United player would get in our team. Not one. That says it all. They are miles behind them, that's why we've comfortably outplayed them every derby for the last four years.
They'll rebuild, and they'll get back into contention. But not for a while.
But don't forget they don't play us every week. Just because a team is miles better than another, doesn't mean they will be miles ahead of them in the table. Last season, from our best XI, i wouldn't have taken any Liverpool players for our team (Suarez if he wasn't a lunatic!) and they only blew the title in the last few weeks. I kept thinking around Christmas "they'll be nowhere near the top, their players and depth of their squad is very poor for a title challenging team" but if Gerrard hadn't slipped, it's likely they'd have won the league. There are 15-16 teams United are better than where they can pick up points to try and challenge for something. That's 90 points they can play for where they'd expect to win. Like last season, Liverpool always seemed to win against the teams worse than them, putting them at the top going into April because they'd only lost to us and Chelsea for months. Plus having no European competition means they can play their strongest team every week in the Prem (something that will hinder Everton big time next season as their squad depth is none existent).
I'm not saying United will emulate Liverpool's season from last season but talent on the pitch in a head to head against one individual team is one thing, but there are 20 teams in the Prem. Some of them are shite. So teams like United will always have a chance of picking up a lot of points. The best team doesn't always win the league, just the team that picks up the most points. And our injury record in the last two years has nearly been as bad as Arsenal's!
Re: Well Said Vinny
What a guy, footballs answer to Ace Rimmer. Intelligence, professionalism and sincerity oozing from every pore.
dan.j.mcfc said:http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/9419859/kompany-backs-england-to-get-to-wc-final
Absolute class act that man. Other footballers could do very well by just imitating him.
What a guy, footballs answer to Ace Rimmer. Intelligence, professionalism and sincerity oozing from every pore.
Re: Well Said Vinny
United should improve on last season. But they have extremely mediocre defenders. Jones, Smalling & Evans as a back three just aren't good enough. They let Ferdinand and Vidic go and have yet to replace them. Its likely they'll bring in at least one defender but there aren't that many top class defenders out there that are likely to be available. And even if they find three better defenders, it will take time for them to bed in. They'll be worse than last season in defence.
United should improve on last season. But they have extremely mediocre defenders. Jones, Smalling & Evans as a back three just aren't good enough. They let Ferdinand and Vidic go and have yet to replace them. Its likely they'll bring in at least one defender but there aren't that many top class defenders out there that are likely to be available. And even if they find three better defenders, it will take time for them to bed in. They'll be worse than last season in defence.