"here's to you Vincent Kompany"

[Bozzie]

Re: Well Said Vinny

Definitely with ChicagoBlue on this one. No way will United be weaker or as poor as last season, their squad has been slightly improved and their manager has been massively improved. I doubt they will challenge for the title but next season their goal will be top 4. So that makes it a certain 4 from 5 scenario and that's providing Everton or Spurs don't emulate Liverpool's improvement of last season, in which case, it's 4 from 6. The days of a guaranteed Champions a League spot have gone and players from all teams, ours included, need to realise that they can't afford to be complacent at any stage. Personally I think the fight for 4th will be between United and Liverpool in which case I'll want Everton to get it!

 

[bluevengence]

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Fuck the dirty rag cunts.....ticky tocky

 

[Marvin]

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Definitely with ChicagoBlue on this one. No way will United be weaker or as poor as last season, their squad has been slightly improved and their manager has been massively improved. I doubt they will challenge for the title but next season their goal will be top 4. So that makes it a certain 4 from 5 scenario and that's providing Everton or Spurs don't emulate Liverpool's improvement of last season, in which case, it's 4 from 6. The days of a guaranteed Champions a League spot have gone and players from all teams, ours included, need to realise that they can't afford to be complacent at any stage. Personally I think the fight for 4th will be between United and Liverpool in which case I'll want Everton to get it!

I think you have to include Spurs too. 4 from City, Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea. City, Chelsea and Arsenal should make the top 3 with 4th coming from the other 4 (hopefully!)

 

[tommybooth]

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Shame he did not come back with "who! never heard of him"

 

[Skashion]

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Not decided if I think the rags will challenge yet but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they did. They already look a completely different prospect under Van Gaal. However, I prefer the season to be a few weeks old before making proper predictions for the season, but I'm as confident as I can be. In fact, this is the most confident I've ever been going into a season. We go in as champions, having improved in key identified problem areas and having bedded in to Pellers' style. As last season, I see Chelsea as the biggest threat. Mourinho has an unblemished record of his second season at a club being his best so I'm not going to enter the season with the arrogant attitude of it being ours to lose but I think us retaining is the most likely outcome.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

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Firstly, excellent response from Captain Kompany (should be a Marvel Super Hero!), as always. Proud o have such a high quality PERSON as our Captain and Leader.

Secondly, it is delusional to think Man Utd are not now, or ever again, going to be one of our primary competitors for the premier league. Yes, they look like a team in transition, as they were left wanting by Fergie and Moyes was not up to the task. However, with the money they have at their disposal and a world class manager in Van Gaal, it is inevitable that they will be there or thereabouts. This season might be slightly more difficult than next, and certain more difficult than subsequent seasons.

It is clear that there are now only a handful of teams that can expect the success and spending needed to sustain it. The Premier League has turned into a three part drama, where 6-7 teams compete for the League and CL positions, another 6-7 will find themselves "relatively safe" after Christmas, and the other 7 or so will fight it out for who goes down and who survives. For me, those 6-7 are City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool, and United, with Everton and Spurs able to compete on any given day, but rarely carrying periods of "form" through to its conclusion, but able to compete for a Euro place.

In all honesty, this season looks like 4 from 5 for the Champions League, and it is IMPERATIVE that City is one of those 4. Beyond that, it is impossible to know who will get injured, who will win the big games between the Top 6, and who will have those surprise losses to the bottom 6 clubs.

So, City have definitely made it INTO the top echelon of clubs and have the resources to maintain that position, but there are really FIVE clubs that consider themselves members of that top echelon of clubs and that will not be able to be maintained without CL football and the monies AND PLAYERS it brings with it.

So, more interesting to me is not whether United will challenge or not (because they will!), but which of the BIG FIVE will not be in the TOP FOUR??? I hope it is United, but I don't know who it will be....or care too much, as long as it is not City.

You see, so many of you buy the hype and overstate them.

There's not one United player would get in our team. Not one. That says it all. They are miles behind them, that's why we've comfortably outplayed them every derby for the last four years.

They'll rebuild, and they'll get back into contention. But not for a while.

That is certainly true.

But don't forget they don't play us every week. Just because a team is miles better than another, doesn't mean they will be miles ahead of them in the table. Last season, from our best XI, i wouldn't have taken any Liverpool players for our team (Suarez if he wasn't a lunatic!) and they only blew the title in the last few weeks. I kept thinking around Christmas "they'll be nowhere near the top, their players and depth of their squad is very poor for a title challenging team" but if Gerrard hadn't slipped, it's likely they'd have won the league. There are 15-16 teams United are better than where they can pick up points to try and challenge for something. That's 90 points they can play for where they'd expect to win. Like last season, Liverpool always seemed to win against the teams worse than them, putting them at the top going into April because they'd only lost to us and Chelsea for months. Plus having no European competition means they can play their strongest team every week in the Prem (something that will hinder Everton big time next season as their squad depth is none existent).

I'm not saying United will emulate Liverpool's season from last season but talent on the pitch in a head to head against one individual team is one thing, but there are 20 teams in the Prem. Some of them are shite. So teams like United will always have a chance of picking up a lot of points. The best team doesn't always win the league, just the team that picks up the most points. And our injury record in the last two years has nearly been as bad as Arsenal's!

I tend to agree with this post, apart from the bit highlighted....the best team always wins the league. The team that picks up the most points over 38 games is the best, absolutely no argument about it.

 

[scotty123]

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You see, so many of you buy the hype and overstate them.

There's not one United player would get in our team. Not one. That says it all. They are miles behind them, that's why we've comfortably outplayed them every derby for the last four years.

They'll rebuild, and they'll get back into contention. But not for a while.

That is certainly true.

But don't forget they don't play us every week. Just because a team is miles better than another, doesn't mean they will be miles ahead of them in the table. Last season, from our best XI, i wouldn't have taken any Liverpool players for our team (Suarez if he wasn't a lunatic!) and they only blew the title in the last few weeks. I kept thinking around Christmas "they'll be nowhere near the top, their players and depth of their squad is very poor for a title challenging team" but if Gerrard hadn't slipped, it's likely they'd have won the league. There are 15-16 teams United are better than where they can pick up points to try and challenge for something. That's 90 points they can play for where they'd expect to win. Like last season, Liverpool always seemed to win against the teams worse than them, putting them at the top going into April because they'd only lost to us and Chelsea for months. Plus having no European competition means they can play their strongest team every week in the Prem (something that will hinder Everton big time next season as their squad depth is none existent).

I'm not saying United will emulate Liverpool's season from last season but talent on the pitch in a head to head against one individual team is one thing, but there are 20 teams in the Prem. Some of them are shite. So teams like United will always have a chance of picking up a lot of points. The best team doesn't always win the league, just the team that picks up the most points. And our injury record in the last two years has nearly been as bad as Arsenal's!

I tend to agree with this post, apart from the bit highlighted....the best team always wins the league. The team that picks up the most points over 38 games is the best, absolutely no argument about it.

Don't think we should even bother turning out this year it's all over and decided according to the media, might as well go trekking in the Amazon and turn my phone off for a year!

 

[ElanJo]

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"People complain when they get moved off their throne. I find it really funny! You complain, you set up new rules but ultimately what you are doing is just trying to make sure that the established order doesn't change"
King Vinny

 

[Blue Haze]

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"People complain when they get moved off their throne. I find it really funny! You complain, you set up new rules but ultimately what you are doing is just trying to make sure that the established order doesn't change"
King Vinny

Vinny killed it.

 

[yayas trusty right foot]

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Saw the interview, but what came to my mind was, why is he not training for Sunday. Looks like the first we'll see of the late returnees is aginst the dippers on Monday week.

My thoughts to. Should be training with Mangala. I am worried about our team for Newcastle. Could be a difficult week.

Doesnt look as though it was filmed today, look at the weather.