Holistic approach

[becomingparanoid]

I presume that after spending all this money on youth training facilities they will expect them to be used. I have no problem with this but it is difficult for any manager to use inexperienced youngsters in high pressure games, and they are all high pressure now. The club and the fans will have to pull their horns in and not expect high finishes and cups. I have not seen any of the present youngsters approach anything like an acceptable standard up to now.

 

[Blue Heaven]

In England, the manager is the most important person at the club. In Europe, it may be different.

I'm sure everyone will have a different opinion of what "Holistic approach" means, but to me if you look between the lines, it means Txiki wants to restructure the whole club in to being a Barcelona tribute band. All teams playing 433, including the first team, and him buying the players to fit that .

No way would Mancini, or any other self respecting top manager have team shape dictated to him by a Director of Football with no management experience. It might work at Barca, because 433 has been part of the fabric of the club for the last 35 years, but it's not guaranteed to work here.

That is exactly what Begiristain was hired to do. I think your anger is misplaced, as it's clearly Sheikh Mansour you have a problem with...

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Holistic approach = no marquee signings and a puppet manager

Are you saying the club has lost its ambition and do you truly believe that...?

Not mentioned ambition once - of course they are ambitious - but I think this Barcelona approach is risky in the Prem - if of course that is what this latest ridiculous phrase they've given others to beat us with means. Up there with "the project"

 

[jake28]

Holistic approach = no marquee signings and a puppet manager

Are you saying the club has lost its ambition and do you truly believe that...?

Not mentioned ambition once - of course they are ambitious - but I think this Barcelona approach is risky in the Prem - if of course that is what this latest ridiculous phrase they've given others to beat us with means. Up there with "the project"

If top quality isn't brought in we will finish outside the top 2..the prem is a very different ball game to the 2 team la liga.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Oh yes - just got a "City is a hippy club" text

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

A "holistic approach" is what Arsenal & the rags do. It means that young players are taught to play the same way the first team do and everything is focused on getting them into the first team, with the right skills, as seamlessly as possible.

This is what Hughes and Cassell fell out over. Hughes wasn't happy with the quality of the graduates while Cassell just wanted to win the Youth Cup and wasn't interested in the bigger picture. A third party with access to Arsenal was brought in to prepare a report and Cassell was eased aside (but it was done gently with due appreciation of his services).

If you get it right it works brilliantly as Arsenal, rags class of 92, Dortmund and the Barcelona team have demosntrated but it's not easy and takes time. The rags really haven't managed to repeat that success and the last of those kids are now retiring. It could take 7, 8, 9 years before we see our own Gotze, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, etc. But we will I'm sure.

 

[jake28]

A "holistic approach" is what Arsenal & the rags do. It means that young players are taught to play the same way the first team do and everything is focused on getting them into the first team, with the right skills, as seamlessly as possible.

This is what Hughes and Cassell fell out over. Hughes wasn't happy with the quality of the graduates while Cassell just wanted to win the Youth Cup and wasn't interested in the bigger picture. A third party with access to Arsenal was brought in to prepare a report and Cassell was eased aside (but it was done gently with due appreciation of his services).

If you get it right it works brilliantly as Arsenal, rags class of 92, Dortmund and the Barcelona team have demosntrated but it's not easy and takes time. It could take 7, 8, 9 years before we see our own Gotze, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, etc.

So for now we have to spend big to get the best.

 

[gmckennasell]

it appears because our owners have spent billions on the club the supporters cannot challenge any decision they make , being called "drama queens" etc , because true supporters believe the club has made the wrong decision , apparently this is not acceptable . Well fuck that , Mancini has been unfairly treated considering the contribution he made , thats my opinion , and looking at the bluemoon poll , I believe the opinion of the majority of match going supporters. It doesn't lessen the feelings I have for the club or makes me disloyal , just disappointed , because Mancini is a very very good manager , I hope we don't live to regret the decision by the Spanish inquisition.

 

[gelly]

In England, the manager is the most important person at the club. In Europe, it may be different.

I'm sure everyone will have a different opinion of what "Holistic approach" means, but to me if you look between the lines, it means Txiki wants to restructure the whole club in to being a Barcelona tribute band. All teams playing 433, including the first team, and him buying the players to fit that.

No way would Mancini, or any other self respecting top manager have team shape dictated to him by a Director of Football with no management experience. It might work at Barca, because 433 has been part of the fabric of the club for the last 35 years, but it's not guaranteed to work here.

Thats what I've been saying this Txiki may as well take over as Manager of the club. This setup has no worked in England. Which club in England allows the DoF to pick the players, formation, style. Even Barcelona style in Barcelona is coming up short without Messi, Xavi.

 

[Shaelumstash]

A "holistic approach" is what Arsenal & the rags do. It means that young players are taught to play the same way the first team do and everything is focused on getting them into the first team, with the right skills, as seamlessly as possible.

This is what Hughes and Cassell fell out over. Hughes wasn't happy with the quality of the graduates while Cassell just wanted to win the Youth Cup and wasn't interested in the bigger picture. A third party with access to Arsenal was brought in to prepare a report and Cassell was eased aside (but it was done gently with due appreciation of his services).

If you get it right it works brilliantly as Arsenal, rags class of 92, Dortmund and the Barcelona team have demosntrated but it's not easy and takes time. The rags really haven't managed to repeat that success and the last of those kids are now retiring. It could take 7, 8, 9 years before we see our own Gotze, Xavi, Iniesta, Fabregas, etc. But we will I'm sure.

The nature of the club statement was that one of the reasons Mancini was sacked was because the club wanted to adopt a "holistic approach" to football at the club. That to me suggests Mancini was an obstruction to that approach.

The points you make about Dortmund, Arsenal and Barca is a good one. Of course it makes sense to develop players that play the same way as the first team. But ask yourself, why would Mancini be obstructive to that happening at the club? Why would he not want youth players developed that would fit seamlessly in to his first team?

It must come down to the approach. The infamous article in The Times that suggested Txiki wanted to play 433 throughout the whole club was rubbished by Mancini. I remember exactly what he said at the time "We want to develop good young players who can play in any system, 433, 442, 451, the system is not important." I completely agree with him.

As I said earlier, the 433 approach has been ingrained in Barca for 30 odd years, I even read somewhere that since Cruyff played for them in the 70s, Bobby Robson has been the only coach ever not to play that system as he preferred 442. To try to introduce this philosophy at City overnight is a very risky one, particularly as it is a largely unproven formula for success in the Premier League. Chelsea under Mourinho won with 433, but it was a very different looking 433 to Barcelona!