MSP
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He would fuck. Nobody quits when getting sacked brings you 7-8 millions.
If he was so proud he would quit when he didn't get another set of world stars he wanted and wouldn't moan about it whole season.
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Holistic approach
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He would fuck. Nobody quits when getting sacked brings you 7-8 millions.
If he was so proud he would quit when he didn't get another set of world stars he wanted and wouldn't moan about it whole season.
Shaelumstash
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oakiecokie said:Shaelumstash said:Eh?oakiecokie said:You again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You`ve done fuck all but moan for days,starting thread after thread,basically with the same content of slagging off any fucker within the club apart from Mancini.
Your getting just like thrush.
Thread after thread? You mean 2 threads? One was about the PR disaster that the club was about to commit, and on all of the various Mancini, Vicky Kloss, Ferran / Txiki etc threads, I'd probably estimate 50% of the posts were people saying exactly the same thing as I did on Friday night. PR Disaster.
The second one was about the "Holistic approach" not exactly a Mancini thread, more a thread about the change in the club model, and the potential advantages / pitfalls of it. I'm flattered you've taken such an interest in what I'm posting about, but if you're going to criticise me, at least make sure you're being accurate.
TCIB
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MSP said:If it had of been an issue for Mancini he would have quit the second he knew about the hiring of these chaps as he is a proud man.
He would fuck. Nobody quits when getting sacked brings you 7-8 millions.
If he was so proud he would quit when he didn't get another set of world stars he wanted and wouldn't moan about it whole season.
When they negotiated his 5 year deal do you think they did not have plans to employ Soriano and Berigistain and develop a more continental management model ?.
More than that, not tell Mancini ?
BobbyLazarus
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gelly said:Why has Ferguson been so successful. He is complete and sole authority at United. Everyone was scared of him.
If Khaldoon wants to be successful in England he needs to follow English rules. He was better off buying a club in Spain if he wanted this..
I was considering this myself. I think considering Ferguson's domination of the English game, and therefore a continual stream of shots at the Champions' League, his return was pretty poor. What I recall is two flukey wins and a couple of total humiliations by Barcelona in 26 years.
I think the 'coach' as opposed to 'manager' approach is going to be an interesting experiment. Just enjoy the ride. Probably uniquely, if we spaff 250 million on failure, it won't be the end of the club.
ManCitizens.
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TCIB said:MSP said:If it had of been an issue for Mancini he would have quit the second he knew about the hiring of these chaps as he is a proud man.
He would fuck. Nobody quits when getting sacked brings you 7-8 millions.
If he was so proud he would quit when he didn't get another set of world stars he wanted and wouldn't moan about it whole season.
When they negotiated his 5 year deal do you think they did not have plans to employ Soriano and Berigistain and develop a more continental management model ?.
More than that, not tell Mancini ?
Your speaking to crazy people.
gelly said:dctid said:Shaelumstash said:Any idiot can see the manager should be in charge of tactics and not the board.
I think the level of Txiki's power and influence over all aspects of football at the club is far beyond anything we have seen before from a Director of Football in England.
Yup but in Europe the director of football is all powerful
essentially the director of football sets the footballing style and then picks managers to suit
That is where we are
Never tried and never worked in England. Clubs with DoF have imploded, only Chelsea have kept the structure, is not in English football culture to do this. Watch the press, referees, players, opposition and the club chew both Pelle and Txiki up and spit them out.
Why has Ferguson been so successful. He is complete and sole authority at United. Everyone was scared of him.
If Khaldoon wants to be successful in England he needs to follow English rules. He was better off buying a club in Spain if he wanted this..
You could argue that Ferguson for all intents and purposes was a Director of Football....In charge of everything apart from the day to day coaching. His most sucessful periods came when he employed very able coaches in Kidd/McClaren/Queiroz and he changed them when the club needed to adapt.
Football has moved on and England is being left behind (you only need to look at the pool of talent at international level to see that).
MSP
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TCIB said:MSP said:If it had of been an issue for Mancini he would have quit the second he knew about the hiring of these chaps as he is a proud man.
He would fuck. Nobody quits when getting sacked brings you 7-8 millions.
If he was so proud he would quit when he didn't get another set of world stars he wanted and wouldn't moan about it whole season.
When they negotiated his 5 year deal do you think they did not have plans to employ Soriano and Berigistain and develop a more continental management model ?.
More than that, not tell Mancini ?
I'm not referring to that, of course he knew that and of course he agreed to that.
I'm referring to "he'd quit, he is proud man" line. He would never quit, he had a chance to quit when he didn't get players he wanted but opted to not do it and instead moan whole year about it until he got sacked and banked a nice settlement. I'd do the same but let's not go with that St. proud bobby stuff, there's no arguments for that at all.
Managers don't resign these days, managers wait to get sacked and cash settlement clauses. Mancini is not a bit different than all of others.
gelly said:dctid said:Shaelumstash said:Any idiot can see the manager should be in charge of tactics and not the board.
I think the level of Txiki's power and influence over all aspects of football at the club is far beyond anything we have seen before from a Director of Football in England.
Yup but in Europe the director of football is all powerful
essentially the director of football sets the footballing style and then picks managers to suit
That is where we are
Never tried and never worked in England. Clubs with DoF have imploded, only Chelsea have kept the structure, is not in English football culture to do this. Watch the press, referees, players, opposition and the club chew both Pelle and Txiki up and spit them out.
Why has Ferguson been so successful. He is complete and sole authority at United. Everyone was scared of him.
If Khaldoon wants to be successful in England he needs to follow English rules. He was better off buying a club in Spain if he wanted this..
As more and more clubs become foreign owned especially those that compete in the European competitions and we now see more and more managers and players in our league than ever before then it will become the norm like it or lump it
The biggest resistance to this will be from British based managers but as these are becoming less and less the issue will go away
Fergusoin is long standing and unique
You miss the point the manager enforces discpline abd always has and will regardless of a director of football,
The press will chew up the Barca chaps (and i have been slating them) in the same way they have slated bobby and our club - persnally fuck the press i support my club
Most of the top European sides now have this director of football thing and the manager in the English sense is more of a coach. It may prove succesful it may not but works very very well for many clubs.
oakiecokie
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Shaelumstash said:oakiecokie said:Shaelumstash said:
You`ve done fuck all but moan for days,starting thread after thread,basically with the same content of slagging off any fucker within the club apart from Mancini.
Your getting just like thrush.
Thread after thread? You mean 2 threads? One was about the PR disaster that the club was about to commit, and on all of the various Mancini, Vicky Kloss, Ferran / Txiki etc threads, I'd probably estimate 50% of the posts were people saying exactly the same thing as I did on Friday night. PR Disaster.
The second one was about the "Holistic approach" not exactly a Mancini thread, more a thread about the change in the club model, and the potential advantages / pitfalls of it. I'm flattered you've taken such an interest in what I'm posting about, but if you're going to criticise me, at least make sure you're being accurate.
Don`t be flattered.I always remember reading shit threads and posts.Especially yours who offer nothing but shear hatred to other members of the Club apart from Mancini.Its now becoming tedious.
dennishasdoneit
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very well said.gmckennasell said:it appears because our owners have spent billions on the club the supporters cannot challenge any decision they make , being called "drama queens" etc , because true supporters believe the club has made the wrong decision , apparently this is not acceptable . Well fuck that , Mancini has been unfairly treated considering the contribution he made , thats my opinion , and looking at the bluemoon poll , I believe the opinion of the majority of match going supporters. It doesn't lessen the feelings I have for the club or makes me disloyal , just disappointed , because Mancini is a very very good manager , I hope we don't live to regret the decision by the Spanish inquisition.