Homeless people/addiction.

Indeed.

"Get a grip, stand up, be the master of your own ship" what a wanker, and highlights why we have such a fucked up Country/world.

If it wasn't, for good fortune in life (starting with birth) then the OP could quiet easily be in such a position.

And don,t give me "no ones ever helped me, I worked hard for all I've got" crap, life is literally down to luck, hard work alone only gets you so far.
Wanker? Spoken like a fucking loser!

I’m certainly not the reason you have a fucked up country/world, but go ahead and spout your ridiculous nonsense.

Feel better now?

The mental extrapolations of not only the OP, but what I said about it, are a perfect illustration of why things get so fucked up and why I’m so glad not to be immersed in mindsets on display.

“Oh, this fella was unhappy in his life and went to the pub every night to drown his sorrows, became an alkie, showed up at work half cut, lost his job…depressed! Mental illness! …but it’s rich guys who won’t pay enough taxes to fund mental illness treatment that are the problem, not guys who shove the keg down their pie hole!”

Got it! And you wonder why things have gone to such shit?

“Havefaith,” indeed! Fucking joke!
 
Post something provocative, know its provocative, say in provocative post you expect pelters for it and when you get pelters start whingeing.
The mob bullied me, what are we to do? Appointment a spokesman for each individual thread to call cunts out maybe?
You would think if you know you're get shit but can't handle it well you wouldn't post shit.
One further point, an individual doesn't get to decide they are nice or empathetic that's for everyone else to decide.
More ridiculous hyperbole, but knock yourself out.

One further point, to borrow your phrase, an individual who has no clue who I am, has never met me, and those who have reading comprehension difficulties, are not “everyone else,” they are just a small bunch of soccer fans with a common passion, but go on…you decide who and what I am and I’ll take it to heart and make some positive emotional changes! HAHA!

Good stuff!

Note to self: Never say someone who turns to drinking alone in the pub until they become a drunk has some say in how that’s going to turn out badly to people immersed in a society that treats necking liquor as a birthright without consequence, and where evil incarnate is the boogie man who dares to do OK while swerving as much bad stuff as possible, while paying his taxes…which are never enough to take care of the guys who like to neck their liquor and turn into drunks! because they have unidentified, undefined mental health issues.

Life is good. Be in it.
 
More ridiculous hyperbole, but knock yourself out.

One further point, to borrow your phrase, an individual who has no clue who I am, has never met me, and those who have reading comprehension difficulties, are not “everyone else,” they are just a small bunch of soccer fans with a common passion, but go on…you decide who and what I am and I’ll take it to heart and make some positive emotional changes! HAHA!

Good stuff!

Note to self: Never say someone who turns to drinking alone in the pub until they become a drunk has some say in how that’s going to turn out badly to people immersed in a society that treats necking liquor as a birthright without consequence, and where evil incarnate is the boogie man who dares to do OK while swerving as much bad stuff as possible, while paying his taxes…which are never enough to take care of the guys who like to neck their liquor and turn into drunks! because they have unidentified, undefined mental health issues.

Life is good. Be in it.
'Everyone else' are the people around you not here on BM.
I expect no change from you, if you haven't got empathy you haven't got it. People can fake it but eventually the mask slips.
As you're so fond of bleating we don't know you, you didn't know the guy the OP was referring to but you can cast judgement on him.
You carry on, keep proving us right with further crass comments .
 
I could have easily have ended up the same. Split for my partner and child.. Moved out... Found a pub.. Started enjoying beers...

But fortunately for me I was the other way around in that I didn't want to damage a decent career I had built for myself and so that limits how much I went(and still go) to the pub.
Working from home where I could easily get away with getting tanked up the night before I can see how slippery that slope is.
Absolutely!

I’m really happy for you that you sound like you were the person being talked about BUT YOU MADE A GOOD, RATIONAL CHOICE and should be applauded for it.
Best not judge people and as someone else said, saying 'get a grip, man up etc etc' shows a real lack of understanding on just how bad a thing that is to say to someone on that slope.
May as well push the head a drowning man.
And, if I had said that TO SOMEONE IN THE DEPTHS OF DESPAIR, I would rightly be castigated. That’s where this all went pear-shaped…I didn’t say that to the person mentioned, I said that on an Internet forum ABOUT too many people who blame others, or the vagaries of life itself, for the messes they make and the holes they dig for themselves.

The phrases you mentioned were what YOU DID and things turned in a very different direction for you.

I’m not a doctor, but from a third hand story reported from a radio on an Internet forum, it appears all the amateur clinicians have been awakened and, while I appreciate armchair internet medicine is all the rage these days, it’s been ridiculous to see how I have supposedly shit on some guy who died of mental illness…which was never asserted IN THE ORIGINAL TELLING OF THE STORY until his drinking made him jump the tracks of normal life and he spiraled downwards.

As far as equating ANYTHING I said as “pushing on the head of a drowning man,” I’m lost for words! Seriously, how does one even get there from what I said about what I read?

THAT is simply ridiculous.

Need help? Get help! It’s not at the bottom of the first glass…and definitely not at the bottom of the fifth, eighth or tenth.

I’m glad you did, I’m sorry this anonymous person didn’t. That’s on him.
 
Wanker? Spoken like a fucking loser!

I’m certainly not the reason you have a fucked up country/world, but go ahead and spout your ridiculous nonsense.

Feel better now?

The mental extrapolations of not only the OP, but what I said about it, are a perfect illustration of why things get so fucked up and why I’m so glad not to be immersed in mindsets on display.

“Oh, this fella was unhappy in his life and went to the pub every night to drown his sorrows, became an alkie, showed up at work half cut, lost his job…depressed! Mental illness! …but it’s rich guys who won’t pay enough taxes to fund mental illness treatment that are the problem, not guys who shove the keg down their pie hole!”

Got it! And you wonder why things have gone to such shit?

“Havefaith,” indeed! Fucking joke!
The point you seem to be missing is that we all react different. Some of us aren't so mentally strong in the first place, for whatever reason
I was in a shitty relationship and my nerves had become on edge. I became paranoid and thought people were after me. Random people in the street. Even worse things.. i was a mental wreck. I was having panic attacks in public places. Drinking stopped it. And down a slippery slope i fell. I didn't feel the help was there for me back then. looking back...i just can't see where I COULD have made the right decision.
 
The point you seem to be missing is that we all react different. Some of us aren't so mentally strong in the first place, for whatever reason
I was in a shitty relationship and my nerves had become on edge. I became paranoid and thought people were after me. Random people in the street. Even worse things.. i was a mental wreck. I was having panic attacks in public places.
And THAT is where medical intervention was not only warranted, but necessary.

Drinking stopped it.

But, it dudn’t, it just created a different, often even more difficult problem to solve.
And down a slippery slope i fell. I didn't feel the help was there for me back then. looking back...i just can't see where I COULD have made the right decision.
I’m glad you’re doing well now and understand where you’re coming from, but I feel like you are actually making my point for me.

You made a choice, which was a wrong choice, but it thankfully did not end the same way. For that, everyone can be thankful. But, if intervention had occurred at the right place, and instead of turning to drink you had had the wherewithal to get the intervention, it may have been much less painful.

However, even in your case, you make the point that “you can’t see where you COULD have made the right decision,” but it appears you were experiencing severe clinical mental issues that were not in the story discussed. Again, I’m glad you got the help you needed, because it’s impossible for one to understand how badly paranoia can affect one without experiencing the fear.

As you rightly stated, we DO all react differently, which is why in the example given I said to “get a grip” instead of going to the pub every night, to which the original poster gave a free pass!

Here is the paragraph I responded to that is causing all the heartache:

This now makes the Father even worse and for consolation he starts going to the pub every night, (who could sit at home every night alone ?) for some company and he finds that the booze relieves a lot of the way he is suffering mentally with depression. He starts drinking at home, result, alcoholism brought on by mental illness.

Explaining my thoughts, ONLY from what was posted…

“For consolation” doesn’t sound like he was driven by an addiction, but made an easy choice instead of a harder one.

“Who could fit at home every night alone?” is a big fat excuse given to him by the OP! I don’t think anyone expects anyone to be a lock in and turn their back on the world, but is sociability lost when something bad happens to you? All semblance of “enough” thrown out of the window?

But, before that sentence is even complete, the big excuse is rolled out, albeit COMPLETELY UNDIAGNOSED OR INDICATED, when we read “relieves a lot of the way he is suffering mentally with depression.”

THAT is where I drew the line. We jumped from “bad thing happened” to “he had to go drown his sorrows every night (and who wouldn’t?)” to a full blown diagnosis of “mental suffering due to depression!”

It reads as one big excuse for taking a path that not only do millions of people NOT choose every day, but one that is so much easier to take and then blame illness or others for you being forced into making.

For what little it is worth at this point, I hope everyone who needs mental health counseling or assistance gets it. Everyone. But, you have to seek THAT out rather than simply doing what’s easy and drinking yourself stupid. THAT IS THE CHOICE.

Now, as I’ve said before, IF there had been an identification of ANY ACTUAL MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS of mental illness BEFORE he chose the bottle, I probably wouldn’t have even said a thing about the post and thought it was unfortunate that he didn’t get the help he needed WHEN HE NEEDED IT!

Anyway, it’s all moot now. I am apparently a **** and a dickhead and the mob has spoken (and even that was corrupted into something unseemly after giving the definition!) and that’s what really matters, right?

Thank you for sharing your personal experience and I’m glad you’re doing well after getting the assistance you needed.

Be well.
 
Indeed.

"Get a grip, stand up, be the master of your own ship" what a wanker, and highlights why we have such a fucked up Country/world.

If it wasn't, for good fortune in life (starting with birth) then the OP could quiet easily be in such a position.

And don,t give me "no ones ever helped me, I worked hard for all I've got" crap, life is literally down to luck, hard work alone only gets you so far.
I'm the OP and I did say that it could happen to anyone, including me.

I agree with you post, I've met quite a few well off right leaning people who slag off homeless people with addictions, and the "no-one helped me" "I've worked hard to get what I've got" but they fail to realize that they were actually physically and mentally able to do what they've done.
Some people have psychological problems which affects their ability to be high or even moderate achievers. Then the lack of empathy kicks in and the homeless become a bunch of lazy bastards who don't want to work.

I'd like to see a world where anyone who has a certain amount of worth, like 10 or 15 million be taxed heavily on money earned after that in order to pay for residential centres and programmes to help people with addiction. Alas, I realize it's an impossibility as all the mega rich would just fuck off somewhere else.

You'd actually be doing the planet a favour though if it were possible, less private jets, less super yachts.
 

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