Homophobia in football

[I'm With Stupid]

That doesn’t sound like the equality they even want, nor does displaying “the rainbow” (a made up symbol for their agenda) do a damned thing for expanding what it is I think they are actually seeking to achieve, which is REAL equality.

Aren't all symbols made up?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I don't think it's a difficult thing to resolve. The clubs should just pick alternative captains who are comfortable wearing the armband without feeling the need to mention Jesus or without causing negativity around the campaign. If Morsy doesn't agree with it, give it to O'Shea for a couple of games. If Guehi doesn't feel he can wear it without letting Jesus know he still loves him, give it to Hughes for a couple of games.

How would that make any difference? Everyone would still know why they were switching captains, so it'd be no different from choosing to not wear it.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

We want sport to be inclusive and it's important to people from all backgrounds, race, religions, gender and sexual orientation to see people they can relate to so that they feel comfortable they can be themselves or so that they can see someone "like them" which will inspire them to follow that path themselves.

What do “they” look like, so that I know when someone looks “like them”?

And, why no issues in the Women’s game or women’s sports, in general?

FWIW, even if you tell me how to spot a lesbian, it’s going to be about 40 years late for me! I walked a girl home from a bar one night in college and was dumbfounded when I tried to give her a good night kiss and she pulled back and laughed. “You know I’m on the Volleyball team, right? I’m a lesbian!” All I could think of to say in the moment was “…but you’re gorgeous!”…as if that meant she should like guys and I was entitled to a kiss!

Found out later (from another girl on the team) that the other players at the bar had all been daring her to kiss me goodnight! No such luck!!

What is the “tell” so I know what “like them” is?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Aren't all symbols made up?

This one occurs in nature, but has been co-opted, so, no, they’re not all made up.

The one I posted is, though. It’s an EQUAL sign. Guess what it stands for!

 

[ChicagoBlue]

How would that make any difference? Everyone would still know why they were switching captains, so it'd be no different from choosing to not wear it.

He didn’t choose not to wear it, though, did he? He defaced it with a religious message.

 

[supercity88]

What do “they” look like, so that I know when someone looks “like them”?

And, why no issues in the Women’s game or women’s sports, in general?

FWIW, even if you tell me how to spot a lesbian, it’s going to be about 40 years late for me! I walked a girl home from a bar one night in college and was dumbfounded when I tried to give her a good night kiss and she pulled back and laughed. “You know I’m on the Volleyball team, right? I’m a lesbian!” All I could think of to say in the moment was “…but you’re gorgeous!”…as if that meant she should like guys and I was entitled to a kiss!

Found out later (from another girl on the team) that the other players at the bar had all been daring her to kiss me goodnight! No such luck!!

What is the “tell” so I know what “like them” is?

In some instances it is look and in others it's simply making it clear that the game is inclusive and open to all. At the moment there remains a negative culture around the men's game where people fear the response from fans if they were to come out. It doesn't promote inclusiveness or celebrate diversity the way it should. Black players are still racially abused. When it comes to LGBTQ clearly you can't "see" someone like yourself, but you can "see" that the game is welcoming and feel encouraged to either play the sport or go and watch it. That's all this is trying to do really. But sadly it's clearly too much of an issue for people and only does the opposite when people choose to deface the armband.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

In some instances it is look and in others it's simply making it clear that the game is inclusive and open to all. At the moment there remains a negative culture around the men's game where people fear the response from fans if they were to come out. It doesn't promote inclusiveness or celebrate diversity the way it should. Black players are still racially abused. When it comes to LGBTQ clearly you can't "see" someone like yourself, but you can "see" that the game is welcoming and feel encouraged to either play the sport or go and watch it. That's all this is trying to do really. But sadly it's clearly too much of an issue for people and only does the opposite when people choose to deface the armband.

1) I don’t think gay is something you need to see somewhere to gravitate towards it.

2) As you can see from the nonsense it has elicited, the “rainbow” signaling is working great, isn’t it?!

3) Forcing change, especially cultural change, down people’s throats doesn’t strike me as a very positive way of achieving what you say they are trying to achieve.

 

[Mon Autre]

How would that make any difference? Everyone would still know why they were switching captains, so it'd be no different from choosing to not wear it.

I think it would actually mean a something to gay supporters that their club stands with them in wanting a create an environment where they can feel safe going to the football, that they are welcome at their club and that the club appointing a leader on the pitch who represents those values.

 

[supercity88]

1) I don’t think gay is something you need to see somewhere to gravitate towards it.

2) As you can see from the nonsense it has elicited, the “rainbow” signaling is working great, isn’t it?!

3) Forcing change, especially cultural change, down people’s throats doesn’t strike me as a very positive way of achieving what you say they are trying to achieve.

But that's all from the perspective of someone who isn't gay. And that's my point. Who are we to say whether it's a good campaign or not. Clearly the idea behind it had support from those communities and they believed it to be a good way of promoting diversity and equality. It's not working because the focus is on those who aren't wearing the armband or defacing it rather than those who are, but as I said in my first post I didn't have an issue with all superheroes being white or all disney films having a handsome white man as the saviour whilst the poor women did whatever they could do be with him. Not our call.

 

[supercity88]

How would that make any difference? Everyone would still know why they were switching captains, so it'd be no different from choosing to not wear it.

It's a shame Walker doesn't mind supporting it, because I'd happily take the arm band off him for more than one game.