Homophobia in football

[youngbob]

If certain things are normal then why do they have to have special treatment?

Do you give to charity? Or have you ever?

 

[supercity88]

At this point in our evolution, with the general acceptance of homosexuality in Western society, who are you winning over by continuing to beat people over the head with the same old stick, or should that be schtick?!

You can’t force it on people.

There's clearly not a general acceptance in football. And judging by a lot of posts on here, and that I've had through watsapp groups, I'm not sure society is as tolerant as it might appear either.

We're not getting beaten over the head with it. It's not rammed down our throats continuously. It's a rainbow armband on the captain's arm. That's it. If people feel that's too much then clearly there isn't the acceptance or tolerance in football or indeed society.

You say you have friends who are gay and that you are tolerant. But there's someone on this thread who is gay and telling you their position on the matter and like I said, it's simply about showing people who are LGBTQ that football is inclusive so they play the game and/or watch it. Nothing drastic or offensive in that at all.

 

[Gazza]

There's clearly not a general acceptance in football. And judging by a lot of posts on here, and that I've had through watsapp groups, I'm not sure society is as tolerant as it might appear either.

We're not getting beaten over the head with it. It's not rammed down our throats continuously. It's a rainbow armband on the captain's arm. That's it. If people feel that's too much then clearly there isn't the acceptance or tolerance in football or indeed society.

You say you have friends who are gay and that you are tolerant. But there's someone on this thread who is gay and telling you their position on the matter and like I said, it's simply about showing people who are LGBTQ that football is inclusive so they play the game and/or watch it. Nothing drastic or offensive in that at all.

Tolerance of everything eventually results in tolerance of nothing.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

If certain things are normal then why do they have to have special treatment?

Straight lives matter

 

[Mon Autre]

Tolerance of everything eventually results in tolerance of nothing.

Is your advice that we don't tolerate gay people then?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I’m 60, almost 61. I have gay in my family and I know literally dozens and dozens of gay people. While many of them find a way to sport “the rainbow” to signal they’re gay, many, many more have no use for it at all!

Rather, they prefer to be seen for the person they are…right in front of you, right now…than rock up presenting you with their sexuality as their intro!

Being gay is no longer what it was a decade ago, and certainly not 50 years ago, and I think most gays I know just want to be treated “normally,” which really means equally. I have no problem with that whatsoever!

Last summer, on an LA layover, the female FO and I grabbed some Poke and headed to the beach for sunset. We sat there for a good hour or so, eating, chatting about life (and football…she’s a crazy Belgian fan!) and acting for all the world like we were a hetero couple having a sunset date.

As we were walking back to the hotel, I told her that it was the best “gay date” I had ever been on. She just smiled and said, “it’s not mine!” We laughed our asses off for a good few minutes, as I prodded her for more details!

Anyway, fast forward to this Fall and unbeknownst to me, she’s on my plane heading to Brussels, where she lives with her French wife. She comes upfront at the end of the flight to say “Hi!” and catch up, leaving my crew with a parting quip of “Have a great layover with him…he’s the best hetero date I’ve ever been on!”

Cool, funny, interesting, smart…that’s the way I like my friends…gay, straight, anything in between or even outside the lines…symbols be damned!

I have a pal who is openly gay and is a fanatical United fan who has had a season ticket at the swamp for decades. He told me he was “fed up with all the LGBT stuff because the only label he wanted to carry was: “Manchester United supporter,”

 

[youngbob]

Tolerance of everything eventually results in tolerance of nothing.

Jesus Christ, this means absolutely nothing.

 

[Gazza]

Is your advice that we don't tolerate gay people then?

Jesus Christ, this means absolutely nothing.

No offense is meant as both my posts were written as to be neutral and not aimed at a particular group or practice and only someone looking to be offended would think otherwise.

Think about it - If you're trying to defend the tolerance of something/anything then you naturally become less tolerant of the things that attack it, until you're finally tolerant of nothing other the original subject.

 

[Gazza]

Jesus Christ, this means absolutely nothing.

Some people don't tolerate blasphemy.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Not at all. In fact, when King Charles passes away, and everyone stands at attention during the minute of silence, maybe Akanji can moon the Colin Bell stand. How do you think would go over? On second thought, don't answer that.

Point is teams do things together for a reason, performative or no. That's the point of being on a team. You don't moan and complain -- you are part of the team. You do what the team asks whether you like it or not, or whether it goes against your "beliefs" or not, or you get off the team. You aren't an individual. Your individuality has no place in this. You sacrifice it. You don't want to wear the armband? There's the door. Sit out the match.

And if you as a fan don't like the team or league's performative BS, stop following it. Stop bitching and boycott it if you feel so strongly. Stand up for your "beliefs." That's what happens over here.

Any of you follow the national anthem fiasco in women's US football? I don't recall any of you standing up and defending Megan Rapinoe.

So it was ok all those years ago when England played in Berlin and the whole team had to give the Nazi salute because they were told too?