How do we prevent terrorism?

Going off the PM's comments i think such issues will be looked at. New laws will come around if Mrs May and the Conservatives win the election. The reasons these people are on this watch list imo are worthy of more than just 'watch and see', namely jail and deportation if non nationals. Downloading bomb making manuals for example from jihadist websites should be a life sentence from this point on or similar, heavy heavy penalties for going down that path...if we catch them in time.
 
Jazzcat said:
No, I think your reading skills might be off. Try going back a bit further, like the Soviet-Afghan war, when radicalisation was a preffered means of Intelligence agencies to recruit fighting forces against Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

We've been meddling in the middle east, with impunity, for far too long, we shouldn't really be surprised.
That is, when you don't ignore the atrocities that have been commited there, in the name of freedom and, surtout, profit.
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It's your knowledge of history and understanding of where radicalisation comes from that's off.

Let's go back to the first century of Islam and not just the 19 fucking 70's. What western conquest created the Kharijites? - look them up.

Ah the old "you know the US funded these groups in Afghan and Pakistan" argument that people use to try and make them look clever and like they know something the rest of the world doesn't, when everybody does know about it already.

Do you not think the west supporting these groups to defend themselves from invading Solviet forces should have been rewarded by the murder of US citizens?

Western intervention in the Middle East has been far from perfect, but to blame that on the reason why Muslims carry out these atrocities is garbage. They do it in Africa, they do it in Baghdad, in Istanbul, in Libya, in India. They say themselves that Iraq and Afghanistan isn't their main reason for doing it, it's because they hate western values and the values of Christians, Atheists, Hindus, Jews and other Muslims.

Have you really just said that we shouldn't be surprised!? We shouldn't be surprised that a Manchester born 22 year old would be capable at strapping himself up to a suicide vest and murdering 22 people at a concert where the demographic is mostly kids!? When we gave his parents political asylum here.
 
The problem, even if political progress is made in the Middle East, is that these people are motivated by how they interpret the Quran.

They are commanded to take over the world by violent means if necessary and they can point to verse after verse and Haddiths to show they are following the command of Allah.

Other texts focus on being a good person and peace but again other faiths have to accept second fiddle.

The claim that terrorism has nothing to do with religion is nonsense. Groups like ISIS point to texts that are all supposed to be the word of God. They argue we cannot change them. Every single act, from beheading, to sex slaves, to sharia law are all sanctioned and to deny them is to have no knowledge of the content of the book.

I posted a list, not exhaustive, of similar command to kill everyone who doesn't share your religion in the bible.

Both books written by men, to control men from a time we didn't know if the sun would return turn, or where it went when it got dark.

As long as people believe in the commands as unalterable, there will be those that carry out attacks. Our various abortive interventions in the region has opened a Pandora's box and has been the best recruiting sergeant they ever had, but this interpretation is centuries old and promoted worldwide by Saudi Arabia, the singularly largest promoter and funder of the type of terrorism we are all seeing.

Yet no talk of them. They buy our weapons and sell us oil, so we ignore the elephant in the room.

Imagine a world where Saudi Arabia had never had oil, but was the supporter of extreme islam and the terrorists who carried out attacks. Now imagine Trump and how long he would take to invade. Indeed any president for the last fifty years.

But they have oil and they buy stuff so there's nothing to see.

As long as Islam exists and there isn't a world caliphate, some will choose to use terror to make it happen.

Even if 99% of Muslins reject that interpretation, that 1% that's left still amounts to over 100 million people. I think 1% is a low number so you can see the problem of eradicating radicalism.

All the bomb em hang em, is an emotive response that leads nowhere ultimately if we want to be safe. It just makes us feel good for a while. Well, we have been bombing the shit out of them for nearly 30 years now.

How has that worked out?

Remember that definition of insanity....
 
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We may well already have them but under cover police
Learn what they are told in order to be brain washed and what they claim they hope to achieve
 
Magicpole said:
The problem, even if political progress is made in the Middle East, is that these people are motivated by how they interpret the Quran.

They are commanded to take over the world by violent means if necessary and they can point to verse after verse and Haddiths to show they are following the command of Allah.

Other texts focus on being a good person and peace but again other faiths have to accept second fiddle.

The claim that terrorism has nothing to do with religion is nonsense. Groups like ISIS point to texts that are all supposed to be the word of God. They argue we cannot change them. Every single act, from beheading, to sex slaves, to sharia law are all sanctioned and to deny them is to have no knowledge of the content of the book.

I posted a list, not exhaustive, of similar command to kill everyone who doesn't share your religion in the bible.

Both books written by men, to control men from a time we didn't know if the sun wiujdceeturn it where it went when it got dark.

As long as people believe in the commands as unalterable there will be those that carry out attacks. Our various abortive interventions in the region has opened a Pandora's box and has been the best recruiting sergeant they ever had, but this interpretation is centuries old and promoted worldwide by Saudi Arabia, the singularly largest promoter and finder of the type of terrorism we are all seeing.

Yet no talk of them. They buy our weapons and sell us oil so we ignore the elephant in the room.

Imagine a world where Saudi Arabia had never had oil, but was the supporter of extreme islam and the terrorists who carried out attacks. Now imagine Trump and how long he take to invade. Indeed any president for the last fifty years.

But they have oil and they buy stuff so there's nothing to see.

As long as Islam exists and there isn't a world caliphate some will choose to use terror to make it happen.

Even if 99% of Muslins reject that interpretation, that 1% that's left still amounts to over 100 million people. I think 1% is a low number so you can see the problem of eradicating radicalism.

All the bomb em hang em is an emotive response that leads nowhere ultimately if we want to be safe. It just makes us feel good for a while. Well, we have been bombing the shut out of them for nearly 30 years now.

How has that worked out?

Remember that definition of insanity....
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That's the thing 2 books written in the middle ages by fanatics of a their religion has caused 1500 years of killings, At the momment Islam is experiencing an upturn in fundamentalism in some quarters and you could say the bible is not influencing violence as much then you look at parts of america and sectarianism amongst catholics and prods, ugandas killing of homosexuals.

Makes me wonder if state atheism wouldn't be such a bad thing with religion teaching banned until a certain age (if not altogether) but them some of these murdering cunts have come into religion late on so that may no be any help, and supprseei g eligions will only create faction to fight that.

It's all shite tbh, as if their wasn't religion I think such fuckers would look to find something else to use to justify their evil.
 
urban genie said:
That's the thing 2 books written in the middle ages by fanatics of a their religion has caused 1500 years of killings, At the momment Islam is experiencing an upturn in fundamentalism in some quarters and you could say the bible is not influencing violence as much then you look at parts of america and sectarianism amongst catholics and prods, ugandas killing of homosexuals.

Makes me wonder if state atheism wouldn't be such a bad thing with religion teaching banned until a certain age (if not altogether) but them some of these murdering cunts have come into religion late on so that may no be any help, and supprseei g eligions will only create faction to fight that.

It's all shite tbh, as if their wasn't religion I think such fuckers would look to find something else to use to justify their evil.
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Yes, but they wouldn't be guaranteed heaven and a minibus of virgins. Or to be raptured up to heaven when the rest of us burn.
 
TCIB said:
Going off the PM's comments i think such issues will be looked at. New laws will come around if Mrs May and the Conservatives win the election. The reasons these people are on this watch list imo are worthy of more than just 'watch and see', namely jail and deportation if non nationals. Downloading bomb making manuals for example from jihadist websites should be a life sentence from this point on or similar, heavy heavy penalties for going down that path...if we catch them in time.
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What about looking at bomb making on the internet? Just type it in and there's pages and pages of them, with no mention of jihadi websites.
 
sir baconface said:
It's noticeable that the three or four "liberals" with the most to say on other political threads have kept a low profile today.
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which ones? thought we were either left or right recently no liberals about.

Thankfully this has been a very respectable thread with no partisan comments imho.
 
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