How do we prevent terrorism?

[TCIB]

What about looking at bomb making on the internet? Just type it in and there's pages and pages of them.

Intelligence services will know pretty much every source for stuff and who some of the main recruiters are. Places that discuss detailed methods of operations for example how to pick a site to hit, avenues of attack, time of day, detailed up to date stuff. The services with isp help can see how many pages you viewed, what pages etc. From that you can pretty well sort the wheat from the chaff.

For example large irc networks like linknet, their owners may have been approached by LEA saying 'we don't give a toss about piracy chat rooms but we could really use your help if hidden chat rooms are created on your network to facilitate terrorism'. The fact that someone may go to the extent of making an ssl secured temp private chat room on irc would in it's self show a pretty high level of determination to avoid authorities, probably balanced with the risk of what they are doing.

Even as an untrained officer i could look at sets of browsing history and computer use and have a rough idea if they have been up to no good. An algorithm can do the same thing to a higher level of accuracy most likely. If the security services cross reference their online activities with real world, i would suggest they could be 90% sure they are worth investigating further if not more so.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Intelligence services will know pretty much every source for stuff and who some of the main recruiters are. Places that discuss detailed methods of operations for example how to pick a site to hit, avenues of attack, time of day, detailed up to date stuff. The services with isp help can see how many pages you viewed, what pages etc. From that you can pretty well sort the wheat from the chaff.

For example large irc networks like linknet, their owners may have been approached by LEA saying 'we don't give a toss about piracy chat rooms but we could really use your help if hidden chat rooms are created on your network to facilitate terrorism'. The fact that someone may go to the extent of making an ssl secured temp private chat room on irc would in it's self show a pretty high level of determination to avoid authorities, probably balanced with the risk of what they are doing.

Even as an untrained officer i could look at sets of browsing history and computer use and have a rough idea if they have been up to no good. An algorithm can do the same thing to a higher level of accuracy most likely. If the security services cross reference their online activities with real world, i would suggest they could be 90% sure they are worth investigating further if not more so.

Although using vehicles and knives makes it much more difficult to find them. A decent VPN and using the drafts folder to 'send' email messages will make you almost invisible.

 

[TCIB]

Although using vehicles and knives makes it much more difficult to find them. A decent VPN and using the drafts folder to 'send' email messages will make you almost invisible.

This is where the 0day's and/or cooperation with companies comes in. Both are used a lot imo. Can you imagine being say whatsapp or nordvpn owners and being told 'we can pay you an awful lot on the side if you would maybe open up an avenue of considered cooperation with us', guess what the person will say 9/10 times :-D

We would never find out about a large vpn company being tied in with mi6 for example, it would damage the vpn company's rep and kill an avenue of great intel for security services. Stuff like that will be so far off the books nobody could ever credibly tie it to British government.

 

[sir baconface]

which ones? thought we were either left or right recently no liberals about.

Thankfully this has been a very respectable thread with no partisan comments imho.

I agree re this thread. It has been pretty civilised all round, which isn't bad on such an emotive topic.

Maybe it's best the ultras (is that better?) stay on the GE and Brexit threads. Just checked the latest page and one of the usual suspects was giving forth.

 

[sir baconface]

For those that continue to say 'why aren't the Muslims speaking out' after every attack

https://muslimscondemn.com/

That's all very nice and politically correct. However, the assertion was that they aren't active enough in their their communities and need to step up their game.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That's all very nice and politically correct. However, the assertion was that they aren't active enough in their their communities and need to step up their game.

Yes everyone could do more. Let's not forget that the Muslim's who speak out agaist ISIS do so in the face evil gangsters / bullies, often in their communities. Other Communities aren't always forthcoming in standing up to evil bullies either.

Also, when people do alert the terrorist hotlines to these extremists, we need to be confident that the security services are supported to act decisively on good intelligence.

 

[Blue Hefner]

You've missed the point spectacularly. I was applying the same logic to those situations as to the terrorist incidents and the people saying "We need to do something and we should be locking all these people up." Well we can't do that any more than we can lock anyone up who owns a car and drinks regularly. So unfortunately we will have to accept an element of risk regarding potential terror attacks as we have to accept there's a risk from many other sources every time we go out. What we should be doing is to try to minimise and mitigate the risks and therefore we should continue to allow the security services to do their job rather than trying to make life harder for them.

You say we can't lock them up, but why not?

Why not lock people up who are on 'watch list', why not lock up people who come back from Syria? Why not lock up hate preachers and those that support them

The security services to a great job by all accounts, but their job might be a bit easier if we lock up known Islamic extremists with views that are polar opposite to the country they live in

To be clear - I'm not a signed up member of the 'deport everyone' brigade. But there is nothing like 2 terrorist attacks in two weeks to make people think of an alternative approach

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

Start with education in the mosques by declaring there is no such truth that there will be 72 virgins waiting to greet martrys.

How about a campaign/movement to take the edge off 'virginism'. If it gets a bad/poor rep for some reason then the promise loses its sizzle.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

With some reasoned debate...

 

[shilly8903]

At the end of the day whilst countries are going to war this will always happen, we have terrorised country's all over the world. I was at the airport the day after the attack i felt sorry for the Muslims I saw that day I just had to give a reassuring smileyou could sense there awkwardness. We need peace and closed borders to certain country's till we have had at least 10 years without killing people were on and island for once we need to make use of that. Politics not my strong point but from what I can gather corbyn is our only chance of that will we get another chance. Our governments love war and we pay for that in so many ways. Armys should only be deployed if your country is invaded. (Excuse the punctuation I'm ginger so I did more running than learning)