How do we prevent terrorism?

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Overhaul the benefits system in this country so economic migrants have no insentive to come here

Will not only reduce terrorism but also reduce the strain on education, the NHS and social housing

It's ridiculously simple

 

[kinkyisno.1]

Fantastic words from Katie. People so quick to jump on her but so backward in coming out to praise her. Fantastic true words from her here.Even Liberal/lefties coming out saying how badly they are getting this so wrong. No shit.

 

[SWP's back]

Overhaul the benefits system in this country so economic migrants have no insentive to come here

Will not only reduce terrorism but also reduce the strain on education, the NHS and social housing

It's ridiculously simple

Without knowing the nationality of the attackers from last night, the previous attacks have been carried out by second and third generation British born nationals.

So I'm not sure how that argument would help.

 

[Jazzcat]

Have you really just said that we shouldn't be surprised!? We shouldn't be surprised that a Manchester born 22 year old would be capable at strapping himself up to a suicide vest and murdering 22 people at a concert where the demographic is mostly kids!? When we gave his parents political asylum here.

LOL I'm strapped for time so I'm not even going to dignify your pathetic attempt at a strawman, looks like you clearly have an issue with comprehensive reading.

It's your knowledge of history and understanding of where radicalisation comes from that's off.

Let's go back to the first century of Islam and not just the 19 fucking 70's. What western conquest created the Kharijites? - look them up.

Ah the old "you know the US funded these groups in Afghan and Pakistan" argument that people use to try and make them look clever and like they know something the rest of the world doesn't, when everybody does know about it already.

Do you not think the west supporting these groups to defend themselves from invading Solviet forces should have been rewarded by the murder of US citizens?

Western intervention in the Middle East has been far from perfect, but to blame that on the reason why Muslims carry out these atrocities is garbage. They do it in Africa, they do it in Baghdad, in Istanbul, in Libya, in India. They say themselves that Iraq and Afghanistan isn't their main reason for doing it, it's because they hate western values and the values of Christians, Atheists, Hindus, Jews and other Muslims.

When has Europe ever suffered from Kharijite terrorism? That's right, never.

If you're willing to go that far back, then surely you'd have to concede that religious terror by selfrighteous radicalised factions is far from an Islamic prerogative.
Or were the persecutions under the reformation or the Albigensian crusade simply just causes and not all that terrifying?
I'm sure quite a few "witches" or other heretics would like to disagree.

Ah the old argumentum ad hominem that people use when they've got no actual arguments to bring to the table and still want to convince me of their superior intellect.
Are you seriously suggesting that arming, training and funding these groups was somehow a good idea and wouldn't blow up in our faces once they got ditched?
By the way, the Soviet Union was lured into the Afghan conflict and aid to the Mujahedeen was provided well before any invasion, which has been documented.
(Are you a revisionist/apologist by any chance?)

There are several factors that've led to the rise in radicalism but they can nearly all be linked to Western foreign policies, either directly or indirectly.

Former CIA analysts argue that terrorist attacks (specifically al-Qaeda attacks on targets in the United States) are not motivated by a religiously inspired hatred of American/Western culture or religion, but by the belief that U.S. foreign policy has oppressed, killed, or otherwise harmed Muslims in the Middle East.
It was aptly condensed in the phrase "They hate us for what we do, not who we are."

U.S. foreign policy actions believed to be fueling Islamic terror include:
the U.S.-led intervention in Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq;
Israel–United States relations, namely, financial, military, and political support for Israel;
U.S. support for "apostate" police states in Muslim nations such as Egypt, Algeria, Morocco, and Kuwait;
U.S. support for the creation of an independent East Timor from territory previously held by Muslim Indonesia;
U.S. troops on Muslim 'holy ground' in Saudi Arabia; the Western world's religious discrimination against Muslim immigrants;
perceived U.S. approval or support of actions against Muslim insurgents in India, the Philippines, Chechnya, and Palestine;
historical justification for the crusades, etc.

I know they're a bit touchy apparently, but to call Western intervention far from perfect is just the sort of apologetic nonsense that stems from ignorance, ignorance of the plight of those people.
You wouldn't be too surprised from the blowback if you'd actually care enough to know what those interventions really entail. What was our right to interfere again? Godgiven?

And if we're talking about ideological roots of Islamic terrorism than we can really only point to Wahabism as the main source, which leads us back to the early 20th century and the rise of the Saud dynasty and their their patronage of said cult. That's what petrol bought us.
So, yes, the current insurgency in radicalism, unfortunately, has it's roots in twentieth century imperialism, whether one likes it, or not.
It's been well established by people with far more credibility than either you or me..

Now if you'll excuse me, I've spent too much time on your belligerent arse as it is.

 

[SWP's back]

Fantastic words from Katie. People so quick to jump on her but so backward in coming out to praise her. Fantastic true words from her here.Even Liberal/lefties coming out saying how badly they are getting this so wrong. No shit.

I think I'm more saddened for the fact that she is on an American show and "speaking for the British".

 

[Blue Hefner]

I think I'm more saddened for the fact that she is on an American show and "speaking for the British".

I thought exactly the same

Although I am concerned with recent events and would like alternative avenues of action to be explored. She makes it sounds like the fucking blitz!

I'm not a fan of May but Hopkins stating she should have said 'never again' whilst on the steps of Downing Street shows remarkable lack of insight. I can't imagine any PM would ever say that

 

[happy daze]

all 4000 on the watch list should be imprisioned or at the very least chipped.

Good idea but shipped off where?somewhere far from here I hope

 

[sir baconface]

Yes everyone could do more. Let's not forget that the Muslim's who speak out agaist ISIS do so in the face evil gangsters / bullies, often in their communities. Other Communities aren't always forthcoming in standing up to evil bullies either.

Also, when people do alert the terrorist hotlines to these extremists, we need to be confident that the security services are supported to act decisively on good intelligence.

Yes, but let's not deflect it. Which "other communities" are committing atrocities on us?

Failure to confront real issues because of arbitrary sensitivities is a part of the problem.

 

[tiggsywiggsywoo]

There is no answer or way to prevent terrorism. Right let's talk about something that really matters like Pippa Middleton''s wedding dress.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

You say we can't lock them up, but why not?

Why not lock people up who are on 'watch list', why not lock up people who come back from Syria? Why not lock up hate preachers and those that support them

The security services to a great job by all accounts, but their job might be a bit easier if we lock up known Islamic extremists with views that are polar opposite to the country they live in

To be clear - I'm not a signed up member of the 'deport everyone' brigade. But there is nothing like 2 terrorist attacks in two weeks to make people think of an alternative approach

I agree with you to a degree about people who went to Syria. We probably should have done more to ensure they were properly de-briefed rather than the 9 hours we were allowed to hold them for. But (and please don't take this personally) the rest fills me with despair.

We are a country that respects the rule of law. You can't arrest & jail people for thinking the wrong thoughts or associating with people that do. Some may see that as a weakness but I see it as a great strength of our society.