How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

threespires said:
A fair number of people will double down because no one likes to feel they've been taken for a fool and will just bury their heads in the sand. Others are doing it because they're now comfortable that their long held xenophobic outlook is socially acceptable and if the rest of its a shitshow so what. Others still have fully drunk the mail/express koolaid and appear completely brainwashed. As for anyone genuinely playing the patriotism card given what has gone before, it is indeed operating at amoeba levels of cognition.

But I have to say that the most common reaction I see from leavers I know is either buyers remorse or to just change the subject and pretend it never happened.
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Beautifully written
 
somapop said:
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You know we have brexit because we wanted to stop brown people in rubber boats ‘flooding’ into Britain, but the French (bastards) weren’t doing enough to stop them, and as a result we have business-destroying shit trade deals with NZ.
So it’s obviously the French (bastards’) fault and their masters in Brussels fault that British farming is fucked.
Simple really.
 
bluethrunthru said:
And the arts - ah yes the arts - that generated £bn's for the UK economy but an industry that this emotionally stunted bunch of cock wombles in charge don't understand - they championed fishing then buggered it and left it by the wayside so why would music and the arts expect any success - as Mr Daltrey.....

www.nme.com

Brexit is “strangling the next generation of UK talent in the cradle” in returning summer of touring

With acts now testing what it’s like to play Europe with Brexit’s new requirements, the UK music industry is demanding swift government action to prevent further “damage” to smaller and rising artists
www.nme.com www.nme.com
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Quite telling that probably three of the things we are still legit world leading in, which isn't a super long list any more, arts, culture and services; higher education; biomedicine, have been absolutely fucked by Brexit.
 
domalino said:
Do people think this thread is so one sided because there’s actually very few Brexit supporters left on the forum (Because of how shite it is) or because they know the politics forum has a sizeable remain majority and just don’t want to get into a losing battle?

I sometimes get the impression the politics subforum is on the whole much more left leaning than the rest of the site.
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I find it to the left on Brexit and Conservative threads, but to the right on "culture war" threads. Probably shows the extent to which you're on a hiding to nothing on the former at the moment.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
I find it to the left on Brexit and Conservative threads, but to the right on "culture war" threads. Probably shows the extent to which you're on a hiding to nothing on the former at the moment.
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That's the disparity I find as well, and I think it's just that when a particular view takes over a thread, people with the opposite view just leave it alone.

I think there's loads of brexiteers left on here who just aren't commenting in this thread.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
You know we have brexit because we wanted to stop brown people in rubber boats ‘flooding’ into Britain, but the French (bastards) weren’t doing enough to stop them, and as a result we have business-destroying shit trade deals with NZ.
So it’s obviously the French (bastards’) fault and their masters in Brussels fault that British farming is fucked.
Simple really.
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I'm struggling as to the school of logic this belongs to. Is it Faragist or Moggian?
 
domalino said:
That's the disparity I find as well, and I think it's just that when a particular view takes over a thread, people with the opposite view just leave it alone.

I think there's loads of brexiteers left on here who just aren't commenting in this thread.
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Not sure theres too many that have much positive to say about brexit, thats why they are quiet. There may be a few hoping even believing that at some point they’ll see a benefit.
Many including a few of my relatives have realised they made a an error not only voting for brexit but more so falling for Johnsons get brexit done bollocks too.
 
Thing on tv news today about a gastro pub in Oxfordshire struggling to open . Only at the end of the clip did the manager mention that he’d lost Polish staff who were now unwilling or unable to return due to all the paperwork and red tape.
 
domalino said:
That's the disparity I find as well, and I think it's just that when a particular view takes over a thread, people with the opposite view just leave it alone.

I think there's loads of brexiteers left on here who just aren't commenting in this thread.
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I tend to leave it when I get swamped by the "baa baa rainbow sheep, these days you get thrown in jail just for saying you're English" on the culture war threads so seems fair enough.
 
domalino said:
That's the disparity I find as well, and I think it's just that when a particular view takes over a thread, people with the opposite view just leave it alone.

I think there's loads of brexiteers left on here who just aren't commenting in this thread.
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Most of the pro brexit posters don't bother anymore as they are on a hiding to nothing at present.

In one or two cases,change their username just to be on the safe side.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
There are few brexit supporters left on the forum because we can now see that there can be no logical, rational cogent defence of brexit.
If there were one, then they could come on here and say so. They’d be very welcome.
Yes , there are a lot of left leaning contributors on this thread and I am one.
However, you do not need to have any political bias to see what an epic clusterfuck brexit is. You simply need the ability to observe, understand , and analyse facts and exercise some critical thinking.
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I haven’t found this thread before. It is very cheering to read all of your views. Well thought through arguments and evidence based. Brexit will be recorded by history as the start of devastating period of damage to the nation through the systematic undermining of our democratic processes and a power grab by the executive (i.e. The Conservatives) . I look forward to reading more.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
There are few brexit supporters left on the forum because we can now see that there can be no logical, rational cogent defence of brexit.
If there were one, then they could come on here and say so. They’d be very welcome.
Yes , there are a lot of left leaning contributors on this thread and I am one.
However, you do not need to have any political bias to see what an epic clusterfuck brexit is. You simply need the ability to observe, understand , and analyse facts and exercise some critical thinking.
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I voted to leave. Was utterly convinced it was the right thing for the nation.

Can now see it was a disastrous decision I and 17 million others made.

Nothing and I really do mean nothing good has come of the vote so far. Will the future reap the benefits promised? Perhaps with greater political leadership but that is simply never going to happen.

At a minimum we should rejoin the single market immediately.
 
blueinsa said:
I voted to leave. Was utterly convinced it was the right thing for the nation.

Can now see it was a disastrous decision I and 17 million others made.

Nothing and I really do mean nothing good has come of the vote so far. Will the future reap the benefits promised? Perhaps with greater political leadership but that is simply never going to happen.

At a minimum we should rejoin the single market immediately.
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You were lied to and manipulated. Cummings, Johnson, Murdoch even Crag Face all responsible.
 
City Hobgoblin said:
Thing on tv news today about a gastro pub in Oxfordshire struggling to open . Only at the end of the clip did the manager mention that he’d lost Polish staff who were now unwilling or unable to return due to all the paperwork and red tape.
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Getting staff across the hospitality industry atm is a fucking nightmare, due significantly to the number of Eastern Europeans who have gone home since Brexit - and there are plenty of operators who have shelved expansion plans because they think there’s no point in opening new sites if they can’t get staff.

It’s the same with door staff, many of whom came from Eastern Europe.

What a fucking abortion.

What the fuck did people expect to happen?
 
blueinsa said:
I voted to leave. Was utterly convinced it was the right thing for the nation.

Can now see it was a disastrous decision I and 17 million others made.

Nothing and I really do mean nothing good has come of the vote so far. Will the future reap the benefits promised? Perhaps with greater political leadership but that is simply never going to happen.

At a minimum we should rejoin the single market immediately.
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Agreed .... but we cant do that without accepting Freedom of Movement of Labour......so it wont happen because R.....M
 
blueinsa said:
I voted to leave. Was utterly convinced it was the right thing for the nation.

Can now see it was a disastrous decision I and 17 million others made.

Nothing and I really do mean nothing good has come of the vote so far. Will the future reap the benefits promised? Perhaps with greater political leadership but that is simply never going to happen.

At a minimum we should rejoin the single market immediately.
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We were going to be liberated from excessive red tape.
There was going to be millions of £s for the NHS.
No more johnny foreigners.
We had the whole of the rest of the world to trade with too.

Other than the ill concealed bullshit,
the effects of unintended consequences have been highlighted.

You are a brave person to admit that you were wrong.
Bravo!
 
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