How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

bluethrunthru said:
Gets you free access to other countries - ours was the most powerful - its taken the Tories 12 years to ruin it

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I'm not defending Brexit by any means, but this all seems a bit trivial.

I don't think Brexit has hugely impacted travel for the average Brit (it certainly hasn't for me). I'm sure there are other benefits we've lost though - the fact that I'm not aware of them speaks volumes.

For me personally, since Brexit, I've been abroad maybe 7 or 8 times and in every case, it's seemed pretty much exactly the same as going abroad before Brexit.
 
Manchester33 said:
I'm not defending Brexit by any means, but this all seems a bit trivial.

I don't think Brexit has hugely impacted travel for the average Brit (it certainly hasn't for me). I'm sure there are other benefits we've lost though - the fact that I'm not aware of them speaks volumes.

For me personally, since Brexit, I've been abroad maybe 7 or 8 times and in every case, it's seemed pretty much exactly the same as going abroad before Brexit.
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It's another one of those "benefits" that only has a marginal effect on most people, but together with all the other marginal negative consequences that we wouldn't notice individually it becomes a fairly big pain in the arse, and in some cases it will bite you when you least expect it. I've certainly experienced longer queues at passport control in a few cases, and those queuing for hours in their cars at Dover probably think it's more than a marginal effect. If there were some benefits to counterbalance the things that are just a bit shit it wouldn't be so bad but so far I haven't seen any at all, unless you count Kent turning into a lorry park and the additional human generated fertiliser by the sides of the roads.
 
It depends on how you look at stuff I suppose.
To my mind, going to France should be like going to Derbyshire. I'd not only accept Schengen, I'd embrace it.
But a fair proportion of the population would ideally like border controls at each parish boundary. But only for foreigners, you know, not for we Brits. And ID cards are not on for us - people should just know we have a right to be here by looking at us.
 
west didsblue said:
It's another one of those "benefits" that only has a marginal effect on most people, but together with all the other marginal negative consequences that we wouldn't notice individually it becomes a fairly big pain in the arse, and in some cases it will bite you when you least expect it. I've certainly experienced longer queues at passport control in a few cases, and those queuing for hours in their cars at Dover probably think it's more than a marginal effect. If there were some benefits to counterbalance the things that are just a bit shit it wouldn't be so bad but so far I haven't seen any at all, unless you count Kent turning into a lorry park and the additional human generated fertiliser by the sides of the roads.
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Yes, they're good points. Delays will be an increasing pain in the arse (although I haven't experienced them as being any different when compared to pre-Brexit).

I think the post I was responding to was basing 'passport strength' on access to embassies, visa requirements and random stuff like that. For 99% of us, that won't really make any difference. I would argue the rip-off data roaming charges that could go up would be a much bigger issue (than my passport's strength).

I do fail to see any benefits that Brexit has brought to me directly also. As I said earlier I'm not defending it. I'm just not sure it's made that much of a difference to my life (so far).
 
BrianW said:
It depends on how you look at stuff I suppose.
To my mind, going to France should be like going to Derbyshire. I'd not only accept Schengen, I'd embrace it.
But a fair proportion of the population would ideally like border controls at each parish boundary. But only for foreigners, you know, not for we Brits. And ID cards are not on for us - people should just know we have a right to be here by looking at us.
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Those pesky foreigners.... wanting to come and work/pay taxes/avoid persecution. How dare they.
 
Manchester33 said:
Yes, they're good points. Delays will be an increasing pain in the arse (although I haven't experienced them as being any different when compared to pre-Brexit).

I think the post I was responding to was basing 'passport strength' on access to embassies, visa requirements and random stuff like that. For 99% of us, that won't really make any difference. I would argue the rip-off data roaming charges that could go up would be a much bigger issue (than my passport's strength).

I do fail to see any benefits that Brexit has brought to me directly also. As I said earlier I'm not defending it. I'm just not sure it's made that much of a difference to my life (so far).
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The changes haven't kicked in yet. Of course passport strength is based on needing visas, as some passports are near worthless.
 
NPBlue said:
Just wait until ETIAS starts in May 2023, when it will fall even further.

For those not aware of what this is, registration will be required before entering an EU country, and you will need your credit or debit card with you to pay for it.

It will be valid for 3 years, but will still limit you to a 90 day stay every 180 days.
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I found the passport checks at Portsmouth and Saint Malo took far longer than previously this year.
Getting back in was a nightmare. It was 5 to 10 minutes per vehicle at Portsmouth.
At least I’ll be exempt from ETIAS being over 70.
 
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Corky said:
The changes haven't kicked in yet. Of course passport strength is based on needing visas, as some passports are near worthless.
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But for 99% of us 'needing visas' still won't really affect us.

It won't really be that much different to 'pre-brexit' (and so far has been no different for me personally). I guess that will change when they kick in?

I'm not really arguing or anything, I just don't see 'passport strength' as something to be majorly concerned about.
 
Manchester33 said:
I'm not defending Brexit by any means, but this all seems a bit trivial.

I don't think Brexit has hugely impacted travel for the average Brit (it certainly hasn't for me). I'm sure there are other benefits we've lost though - the fact that I'm not aware of them speaks volumes.

For me personally, since Brexit, I've been abroad maybe 7 or 8 times and in every case, it's seemed pretty much exactly the same as going abroad before Brexit.
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Did you always use the Non-EU Passportholders Gate despite not having to do so?
 
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