How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[Fred_Quimby]

He is trying to get the 'red wall' back onside.

 

[Saddleworth2]

He is trying to get the 'red wall' back onside.

He is an unprincipled coward. Either he believes that and is a fool or he plans to change things round when he is voted in (in which case see my initial comment).

 

[The perfect fumble]

No sweat, he lied through his teeth to get elected as Labour leader and has gone back on pretty much everything he said then, the man will say anything to get elected.

Believe me, what Starmer says is no guide to what he will do, even more so than it was for Blair. The day Starmer walks into No 10 nobody will have a clue what he's going to do, actually scratch that, Peter Mandelson might.

 

[The perfect fumble]

He is trying to get the 'red wall' back onside.

That might be right, it might not.

With Starmer one can never know.

 

[Gabriel]

Yet again, the interviewer adds too many points to the question and allows the politician to conflate the economic and political. Husain should have asked Starmer what figures he had to back up his claim that he didn’t think it would improve matters economically.

His decision is purely political and means that the UK’s continued economic slide is a price all must pay to placate the racist ‘winners’.

 

[stevemacca]

No sweat, he lied through his teeth to get elected as Labour leader and has gone back on pretty much everything he said then, the man will say anything to get elected.

Believe me, what Starmer says is no guide to what he will do, even more so than it was for Blair. The day Starmer walks into No 10 nobody will have a clue what he's going to do, actually scratch that, Peter Mandelson might.

Unlike the other side who put forward a plan and stick to it come what may.

Oh, wait a minute....................

Some of us remember way back to Kinnock, 'Policies in place or perfection in opposition.'

Lets start by ridding us of the disease that is happening, and know that whatever comes next stands a chance of being better.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Yet again, the interviewer adds too many points to the question and allows the politician to conflate the economic and political. Husain should have asked Starmer what figures he had to back up his claim that he didn’t think it would improve matters economically.

His decision is purely political and means that the UK’s continued economic slide is a price all must pay to placate the racist ‘winners’.

Ask yourself this and I don't know the answer, if Starmer had said that he would set up a parliamentary something or other when he gets in, to look at all the options regarding the EU, everything, including re-joining and then put their recommendation to a referendum.

Do you think that would be a vote winner?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Unlike the other side who put forward a plan and stick to it come what may.

Oh, wait a minute....................

Some of us remember way back to Kinnock, 'Policies in place or perfection in opposition.'

Lets start by ridding us of the disease that is happening, and know that whatever comes next stands a chance of being better.

Palliative politics.

 

[Gabriel]

Ask yourself this and I don't know the answer, if Starmer had said that he would set up a parliamentary something or other when he gets in, to look at all the options regarding the EU, everything, including re-joining and then put their recommendation to a referendum.

Do you think that would be a vote winner?

In Hamilton and Clyde, Scotland, maybe, in Bolsover, England, probably not.

 

[The perfect fumble]

In Hamilton and Clyde, Scotland, maybe, in Bolsover, England, probably not.

And there you have it.

So Starmer is either lying through his teeth or honesty personified.

There's no way to know with a proven liar.

 

[hampshireblue]

The trouble is that as soon as he mentions some possibility of going back into the single market, he risks the brexiteers just lobbing the " you're anti-democratic" grenade. Unless there is a real change in the public to have a sensible debate about the SM there will be little move from us stumbling from one pile of shit to the next.

 

[Vic]

He should just say, "I think we need to do what the Leave campaign said would be the case: in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border" (or like Farage said, we could be like Norway, or Switzerland). Get the people who influenced them on the defensive.

But he does need to remember that the vast majority of Labour voters voted Remain, and the LibDems can take votes from Labour on this issue.

 

[bluethrunthru]

It seems the 'take back control' narrative beloved by so many brexit lovers, doesn't have the desired positive effect when the world is watching us trying to welch on binding treaties we have signed.

It's a remarkable achievement when thought is given that our government ministers care more about headlines in the Daily Express rather than the damage their ludicrous brexit is slowly having on our economy.

It's time for us to forget who won or lost. 'It's easier to con someone, than it is to have them admit they've been conned' was penned many years ago, and it will sadly take many more years of decline before brexit voters admit the promises they believed they were voting for were nothing but bullshit.

Before too long people will be coming back from holidays abroad and TV stations will be reporting from within the EU all saying how nice and prosperous it clearly is over there

 

[The perfect fumble]

The trouble is that as soon as he mentions some possibility of going back into the single market, he risks the brexiteers just lobbing the " you're anti-democratic" grenade. Unless there is a real change in the public to have a sensible debate about the SM there will be little move from us stumbling from one pile of shit to the next.

In all the furore about Starmer's answer, his telling phrase " at this stage" has been overlooked.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Yet again, the interviewer adds too many points to the question and allows the politician to conflate the economic and political. Husain should have asked Starmer what figures he had to back up his claim that he didn’t think it would improve matters economically.

His decision is purely political and means that the UK’s continued economic slide is a price all must pay to placate the racist ‘winners’.

Suck it up, mate.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And there you have it.

So Starmer is either lying through his teeth or honesty personified.

There's no way to know with a proven liar.

Name a leading politician that isn’t a liar.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He should just say, "I think we need to do what the Leave campaign said would be the case: in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border" (or like Farage said, we could be like Norway, or Switzerland). Get the people who influenced them on the defensive.

But he does need to remember that the vast majority of Labour voters voted Remain, and the LibDems can take votes from Labour on this issue.

Would be a good thing if it ended in a coalition where PR was on the table.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Name a leading politician that isn’t a liar.

I can't name one.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

I can't name one.

Exactly because they don't exist.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Exactly because they don't exist.

So no one should get too vexed by what Starmer says.