How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[BrianW]

The problem is Brexit has become a sort of quasi-religion.

Those who still support it are blind to its failings and keep telling themselves the EU will collapse soon. (Brexit would only 'work' if the EU did collapse, but it won't.)

They are the equivalent of those who think the rapture is happening soon and they will be lifted into heaven because they believe. You might as well go outside and talk to a lamppost for all the sense you will get out of them. If anything, the blatant and obvious failure of their fantasy makes them all the more stubborn, all the more anxious to blame non-believers.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

That was perfectly understandable. If you were say, working in a supermarket and your family is back home in Italy then you saw stuff on the telly every night from our Govt and on the news from your own country and its the right thing to do and go home to be near your family as - at the start - it looked like Armageddon.

Where the whole thing was mismanaged and misunderstood was setting the bar for them to return so high. I suspect it was partly a Patel crusade because ironically she hates foreigners and see's it her mission to stop people from the EU from coming here. And partly because they just had no understanding of people and what they would do. They failed to grasp what a mass-exodus of workers never to return would look like. They had no idea about what provision people had taken to future proof their lives which meant they could simply quit the workforce. They had no idea what 12 years of austerity had done to the suitability of new entrants to the workforce to be able to do the work and they simply cannot see that somebody stacking shelves or selling you a bacon butty simply cannot exist on the living wage.

We are where we are because of a clueless Govt which is seeing the absolute dregs rise to the top to run the show. Its a pity we are not an aquatic animal because at least then those rising to the top would be bobbing around with the turds they most resemble

I wish the government were simply clueless.
I think the truth is that they went into the whole brexit lie knowing that it would get them into power.
There has never been a plan to make it work in any way. shape, or form for the ordinary people.
Now they’ve got the power they know just how to keep it.
Simply create more ‘enemies of the people’ and the threat they pose to the British way of life.
Supremely ironic.

 

[inbetween]

The problem is Brexit has become a sort of quasi-religion.

Those who still support it are blind to its failings and keep telling themselves the EU will collapse soon. (Brexit would only 'work' if the EU did collapse, but it won't.)

They are the equivalent of those who think the rapture is happening soon and they will be lifted into heaven because they believe. You might as well go outside and talk to a lamppost for all the sense you will get out of them. If anything, the blatant and obvious failure of their fantasy makes them all the more stubborn, all the more anxious to blame non-believers.

Has it though? I don't know anyone who talks about it anymore, it used to be chatted about as much as the weather but now no-one is interested. This is usually because there's no good that can come from talking about it, unless you both agree in which case it's just an echo chamber.

The only people that still bother to talk about it are those who are still arguing about the result 6 years after the vote was held and 2 years after we've left. We see it on here daily, how much of a disaster it is but well yeah the world is a disaster zone at the moment so let's not pretend things that it would really be any better. Inflation would still be pushing 10%, gas prices would still be high and beyond that what would be different?

It's time to move on, I voted remain and I thought leave was a stupid choice but the country made that choice so what's the point in arguing about it all over again? Either way we've left, we're out, gone, it's over. There's very little to talk about anymore other than indeed to continually push to keep us divided on an issue which is now in the distant past.

I think for some folk on here that's what they want, they want to keep this going as a dividing issue purely so that they can express their superiority over others.

 

[BrianW]

It's time to move on, I voted remain and I thought leave was a stupid choice but the country made that choice so what's the point in arguing about it all over again? Either way we've left, we're out, gone, it's over. There's very little to talk about anymore other than indeed to continually push to keep us divided on an issue which is now in the distant past.

No chance I will ever 'move on'. It is a fucking disaster and we need to row back by, at a minimum, rejoining the Single Market.

Otherwise, the UK economy will just spiral down, year after year, until it collapses altogether. This country lives on trade. Without adequate trading arrangements, we are utterly fucked. Nor do I wish to become a satellite of the USA, China or India, which is the alternative.

I don't think people realise yet just how much damage has been done. Covid and the Ukraine War have helped disguise it, but ultimately the truth will out.

 

[carlosthejackal]

Next on the hit list will be abolishing NHS , sick pay , state pension and every other safety net the state provides , wonder what bullshit excuses brexiteers will come up with defending this ?

 

[Vic]

Has it though? I don't know anyone who talks about it anymore, it used to be chatted about as much as the weather but now no-one is interested. This is usually because there's no good that can come from talking about it, unless you both agree in which case it's just an echo chamber.

The only people that still bother to talk about it are those who are still arguing about the result 6 years after the vote was held and 2 years after we've left. We see it on here daily, how much of a disaster it is but well yeah the world is a disaster zone at the moment so let's not pretend things that it would really be any better. Inflation would still be pushing 10%, gas prices would still be high and beyond that what would be different?

It's time to move on, I voted remain and I thought leave was a stupid choice but the country made that choice so what's the point in arguing about it all over again? Either way we've left, we're out, gone, it's over. There's very little to talk about anymore other than indeed to continually push to keep us divided on an issue which is now in the distant past.

I think for some folk on here that's what they want, they want to keep this going as a dividing issue purely so that they can express their superiority over others.

A counsel of despair.

Brexit is shit and it's a fact, but there is absolutely no need to perpetuate the idiotic hard brexit we've got. To get your post liked by the guy who pushed the nonsense that only by threatening to leave with no deal could we get a good deal should show you that.

Truss can deliver all the pathetic little deals she wants (that benefit the other countries but not Brexit Britain) but we have to restore as best we can what we had, and - lest we forget - the lying bastards said we'd still have. Altogether now - a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border.

 

[blueparrot]

Has it though? I don't know anyone who talks about it anymore, it used to be chatted about as much as the weather but now no-one is interested. This is usually because there's no good that can come from talking about it, unless you both agree in which case it's just an echo chamber.

The only people that still bother to talk about it are those who are still arguing about the result 6 years after the vote was held and 2 years after we've left. We see it on here daily, how much of a disaster it is but well yeah the world is a disaster zone at the moment so let's not pretend things that it would really be any better. Inflation would still be pushing 10%, gas prices would still be high and beyond that what would be different?

It's time to move on, I voted remain and I thought leave was a stupid choice but the country made that choice so what's the point in arguing about it all over again? Either way we've left, we're out, gone, it's over. There's very little to talk about anymore other than indeed to continually push to keep us divided on an issue which is now in the distant past.

I think for some folk on here that's what they want, they want to keep this going as a dividing issue purely so that they can express their superiority over others.

It isn’t over though what we have now is a total shambles. At some point we will have to negotiate a much different brexit. I don’t know when but at some point the government will have little choice so in that way it will never be over and will be argued about at every election, not about in or out but what kind of brexit we need.

 

[meltonblue]

Has it though? I don't know anyone who talks about it anymore, it used to be chatted about as much as the weather but now no-one is interested. This is usually because there's no good that can come from talking about it, unless you both agree in which case it's just an echo chamber.

The only people that still bother to talk about it are those who are still arguing about the result 6 years after the vote was held and 2 years after we've left. We see it on here daily, how much of a disaster it is but well yeah the world is a disaster zone at the moment so let's not pretend things that it would really be any better. Inflation would still be pushing 10%, gas prices would still be high and beyond that what would be different?

It's time to move on, I voted remain and I thought leave was a stupid choice but the country made that choice so what's the point in arguing about it all over again? Either way we've left, we're out, gone, it's over. There's very little to talk about anymore other than indeed to continually push to keep us divided on an issue which is now in the distant past.

I think for some folk on here that's what they want, they want to keep this going as a dividing issue purely so that they can express their superiority over others.

I don’t think it’s that at all, I think it’s more that the incumbent government we now have is directly a result of Brexit. In the interests of “getting it done”, we’ve enabled this bunch of duplicitious cretins to drag our courts, our institutions, our international reputation and seemingly very soon our rights into the mire as a consequence.

The same tactics are used time and time again that were originally used in the referendum (people still having had enough of experts, for example), and the answer cannot and never can be to ignore or allow it.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

No chance I will ever 'move on'. It is a fucking disaster and we need to row back by, at a minimum, rejoining the Single Market.

Otherwise, the UK economy will just spiral down, year after year, until it collapses altogether. This country lives on trade. Without adequate trading arrangements, we are utterly fucked. Nor do I wish to become a satellite of the USA, China or India, which is the alternative.

I don't think people realise yet just how much damage has been done. Covid and the Ukraine War have helped disguise it, but ultimately the truth will out.

Time to move on is it?
Ask the fruit and veg farmers who can’t get the seasonal pickers and have to watch their crops rotting.
Ask the beef and lamb farmers whose businesses are about to be wiped out by tariff-free chemical and hormone filled imports thanks to wonderful trade deals signed by our next PM.
Ask the fishermen whose European market has disappeared causing many to go bust.
Ask the small and medium businesses who rely on exports to European markets and now find very tight margins disappearing and are going bust, or moving to the EU and taking jobs and tax revenues with them.
Ask the truck drivers stuck in 20 mile queues in Kent.
Ask the family stuck in their car for 8 hours to get on a ferry in Dover.
Ask the students who now find it virtually impossible to get a place at a European university.
Ask the scientists about cooperation on pan-european projects in health care and industry.
These are just some- there are many others.
And this is before the full implications of ‘taking back control’ of our borders have been anywhere near realised.
Even Rees-mogg - the poster boy for brexit has called it ‘an act of self-harm.
Move on?
Go right ahead.

 

[domalino]

I think someone’s written the perfect article…