How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Does anybody not find it strange that politically there is literally no appetite to rejoin?

Parties that where so against leaving are suddenly nowhere to be seen and now argue for better relations and renegotiation instead of rejoining.

Why?
 
blueinsa said:
Does anybody not find it strange that politically there is literally no appetite to rejoin?

Parties that where so against leaving are suddenly nowhere to be seen and now argue for better relations and renegotiation instead of rejoining.

Why?
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Because it’s toxic. It’s best to ignore; from their perspective, I mean. It’s a conscious decision to not fan the flames.
 
blueinsa said:
Does anybody not find it strange that politically there is literally no appetite to rejoin?

Parties that where so against leaving are suddenly nowhere to be seen and now argue for better relations and renegotiation instead of rejoining.

Why?
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There's no appetite to re-join in the country, it was a divisive time and i'm glad we're moving on. I'm just grateful the impact is not as bad as was initially predicted.
 
RabidCity said:
There's no appetite to re-join in the country, it was a divisive time and i'm glad we're moving on. I'm just grateful the impact is not as bad as was initially predicted.
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Yeah no appetite - see below. The impact is worse than predicted and about to get worse when we introduce the checks on imports we agreed to and have put back twice in two years. Other than that your point is?

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We were like one of those soap opera actors who leaves the show to pursue their wider acting career.

We didn’t know how good we had it.

Thing is, our relationship with Europe pre-Brexit was greatly influenced and driven by Eurosceptacism. We kept the pound. And loads of opt-outs, And Parliament was always sovereign. So we kept Europe at a distance. To appease those who didn’t want further integration. It wasn’t perfect, but it recognised the views of (what was perceived as) the minority.

The Hard Brexit we had was a betrayal of that compromise. It was a fuck you to the 48% who didn’t want to leave.

In what sort of country does the winning part of the electorate say to the losing part: ‘you lost get over it.’?

This thing has been so fucking divisive. Cameron should have just left it alone.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We were like one of those soap opera actors who leaves the show to pursue their wider acting career.

We didn’t know how good we had it.

Thing is, our relationship with Europe pre-Brexit was greatly influenced and driven by Eurosceptacism. We kept the pound. And loads of opt-outs, And Parliament was always sovereign. So we kept Europe at a distance. To appease those who didn’t want further integration. It wasn’t perfect, but it recognised the views of (what was perceived as) the minority.

The Hard Brexit we had was a betrayal of that compromise. It was a fuck you to the 48% who didn’t want to leave.

In what sort of country does the winning part of the electorate say to the losing part: ‘you lost get over it.’?

This thing has been so fucking divisive. Cameron should have just left it alone.
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Excellent post !

UK always seemed 65% in 35% out (eg. still measured tv's in inches) :)
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We were like one of those soap opera actors who leaves the show to pursue their wider acting career.

We didn’t know how good we had it.

Thing is, our relationship with Europe pre-Brexit was greatly influenced and driven by Eurosceptacism. We kept the pound. And loads of opt-outs, And Parliament was always sovereign. So we kept Europe at a distance. To appease those who didn’t want further integration. It wasn’t perfect, but it recognised the views of (what was perceived as) the minority.

The Hard Brexit we had was a betrayal of that compromise. It was a fuck you to the 48% who didn’t want to leave.

In what sort of country does the winning part of the electorate say to the losing part: ‘you lost get over it.’?

This thing has been so fucking divisive. Cameron should have just left it alone.
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There will have to be discussions about rejoining the common market in the next decade. We have a general election coming up but Labour won’t talk about the absolute fuck up brexit is and how we fix it.

The xenophobia that got brexit over the line as a vote with the immigration stand point of taking back control of our borders. It now looks a little silly when we have record numbers of immigration coming into the U.K. in our brave new brexit utopia.

We have been sidelined as a nation and are killing many of our industries because of the self harm inflicted. The entrepreneurs who could kick start the economy with new ideas and business are going else where because of how anti business the U.K. is at the moment.

The people who thrusted this onto us, one is doing speeches to loons in Texas. The other one has been sidelined into doing a show on GB news. Surely the public should have seen these snake oil salesmen coming well before 2016?
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
There will have to be discussions about rejoining the common market in the next decade
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good luck with that - as I keep saying we have to convince 27 other member states we are serious and we have expunged all traces of anti-EU politics before they can even consider opening talks. As long as JRM, Farage and that octogenarian Widdicombe have access to the airwaves they will just ignore us - if that means they attract most of the investment whilst we wither on the vine I am sure they will prepare food parcels to drop on Blighty
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We were like one of those soap opera actors who leaves the show to pursue their wider acting career.

We didn’t know how good we had it.

Thing is, our relationship with Europe pre-Brexit was greatly influenced and driven by Eurosceptacism. We kept the pound. And loads of opt-outs, And Parliament was always sovereign. So we kept Europe at a distance. To appease those who didn’t want further integration. It wasn’t perfect, but it recognised the views of (what was perceived as) the minority.

The Hard Brexit we had was a betrayal of that compromise. It was a fuck you to the 48% who didn’t want to leave.

In what sort of country does the winning part of the electorate say to the losing part: ‘you lost get over it.’?

This thing has been so fucking divisive. Cameron should have just left it alone.
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We should have been resolutely Stefan Dennis (although we do sometimes get a Guy Peace and Margot Robbie).
 
bluethrunthru said:
good luck with that - as I keep saying we have to convince 27 other member states we are serious and we have expunged all traces of anti-EU politics before they can even consider opening talks. As long as JRM, Farage and that octogenarian Widdicombe have access to the airwaves they will just ignore us - if that means they attract most of the investment whilst we wither on the vine I am sure they will prepare food parcels to drop on Blighty
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We have well and truly pissed on our own chips, when we have owners of airlines shouting from the rooftops we need to be back in the common market. Then the car industry highlighting that the brexit agreement needs to be renegotiated due to the tariffs that will come into play on British manufactured cars.

No one is getting any advantage out of brexit apart from Northern Ireland as they are still part of the Euro zone on free movement of goods.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
We were like one of those soap opera actors who leaves the show to pursue their wider acting career.

We didn’t know how good we had it.

Thing is, our relationship with Europe pre-Brexit was greatly influenced and driven by Eurosceptacism. We kept the pound. And loads of opt-outs, And Parliament was always sovereign. So we kept Europe at a distance. To appease those who didn’t want further integration. It wasn’t perfect, but it recognised the views of (what was perceived as) the minority.

The Hard Brexit we had was a betrayal of that compromise. It was a fuck you to the 48% who didn’t want to leave.

In what sort of country does the winning part of the electorate say to the losing part: ‘you lost get over it.’?

This thing has been so fucking divisive. Cameron should have just left it alone.
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Cameron thought he was being smart, never in his wildest dreams did he think the Leave vote would win. Had things gone as planned it would have smoothed the euro waters for a decade, however......
 
Part of the price of doing trade with other countries (India, China, Nigeria etc.) is that the U.K. will have to allow increasing numbers of migrants from those countries into the country. They may come as care workers or hospitality workers, postgraduate students, or trainee nurses, it matters not, they will come and keep coming. Freedom of movement was the price of trading within the EU single market, so the only thing that has changed is the origin from where the migrants come. All the talk of the small boats, the student dependents, Ukrainians, Afghans, and people from Hong Kong is just to deflect from the underlying trend in legal migration.

The media will dance around the issue because of the racial aspect, but if the U.K. wants to portray itself as international and outward looking to these countries, it is the price to pay in the post-Brexit world.
 
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