How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

blueinsa said:
Again, difficult to argue with that although a small few do let brexit spill over into almost every thread but hey ho, no one died because of it.
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It was a seismic decision which has had a profound impact nationally, whichever way you look at it. Of course it’s going spill into other threads.

It has been, and will continue to be a very divisive subject.

And I accept we all need to try and play a part in changing that.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
And we continue to suffer.
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It’s had a negative effect no doubt and I’m sure you will find business owners who it has had a detrimental effect on and citizens with particular circumstances but all of us? On a very personal level? No mate, I don’t believe it has had that much of an impact and covid and the markets going tits up at Truss or the Tory party and it’s government has had a far more reaching into our daily lives and pockets, imo of course.

I don’t post the above to defend it, I just don’t get much of the hyperbole that many seem to want to link to brexit and let’s be honest, some do want to do just that all of the time.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s had a negative effect no doubt and I’m sure you will find business owners who it has had a detrimental effect on and citizens with particular circumstances but all of us? On a very personal level? No mate, I don’t believe it has had that much of an impact and covid and the markets going tits up at Truss or the Tory party and it’s government has had a far more reaching into our daily lives and pockets, imo of course.

I don’t post the above to defend it, I just don’t get much of the hyperbole that many seem to want to link to brexit and let’s be honest, some do want to do just that all of the time.
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The caveat to that is we’d never have ended up with someone like Truss as PM had it not been for Brexit. It’s had a bigger impact on domestic politics than anything else up to now, it is all linked.
 
blueinsa said:
It’s had a negative effect no doubt and I’m sure you will find business owners who it has had a detrimental effect on and citizens with particular circumstances but all of us? On a very personal level? No mate, I don’t believe it has had that much of an impact and covid and the markets going tits up at Truss or the Tory party and it’s government has had a far more reaching into our daily lives and pockets, imo of course.

I don’t post the above to defend it, I just don’t get much of the hyperbole that many seem to want to link to brexit and let’s be honest, some do want to do just that all of the time.
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There are new projections every week as to how much it’s costing the consumer in food prices. It’s really the gift that just keeps on giving. Every year we remain estranged from our nearest trading partner the cost gets greater.

Given that we are still governed by those that inflicted Brexit upon us I’m not sure that you can separate out all the other damage they have done. It all stems from Brexit.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
There are new projections every week as to how much it’s costing the consumer in food prices. It’s really the gift that just keeps on giving. Every year we remain estranged from our nearest trading partner the cost gets greater.

Given that we are still governed by those that inflicted Brexit upon us I’m not sure that you can separate out all the other damage they have done. It all stems from Brexit.
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This is where the debate falls down.

Has brexit had an effect on food price inflation? No doubt. Is it the primary source? Definitely not.

Biggest driver is energy costs and we also have global weather events that have had an effect. Both those happen regardless of membership or not of the EU. Globally inflation has hit everyone.

I’ve no issue in debating brexit but it’s rarely if ever an honest debate on here and that’s not me having a go at you mate, it’s just my observation.
 
blueinsa said:
Terrible decision to leave and had we voted to remain I would have been over my leave vote in a matter of minutes and I’ve stated I would vote to rejoin in a heartbeat given the chance, although that now seems increasingly unlikely.

What I won’t ever apologise for though and it was a real dig your heels in moment for me was the attempts to ignore what 17 million said and to just remain despite the result. At that point we had to leave, regardless and I’m glad we did if for no other reason than those who as I saw it, who wished to subvert a democratic vote and voices of millions got told to fucking do one.

To this day, that’s the real beef and arguments still for the majority. Not leaving, not the vote, it’s the fall out and the arguments that followed when it became all out war between those who said we have to respect the vote and those who didn’t want to.
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That sort of contempt for the Democratic vote can cause resentment alright.

In the interest of peace and a brighter future I’ll suppress the urge to go off on one about how this country was partitioned in the first place.

I remember you on the debate prior to your referendum vote @blueinsa and my recollection is you were always cordial and respectful of my point of view regarding what would happen up north.
I keep popping in here however, awaiting the return of @mcfc1632 or whatever he was called, who didn’t necessarily disagree with my summation of what could likely happen, but was quite willing to take that risk. In other words he didn’t give a shot about the north and I suspect he wasn’t alone there.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
There are new projections every week as to how much it’s costing the consumer in food prices. It’s really the gift that just keeps on giving. Every year we remain estranged from our nearest trading partner the cost gets greater.

Given that we are still governed by those that inflicted Brexit upon us I’m not sure that you can separate out all the other damage they have done. It all stems from Brexit.
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You know what to do Sadds. You know you want to.
 
blueinsa said:
This is where the debate falls down.

Has brexit had an effect on food price inflation? No doubt. Is it the primary source? Definitely not.

Biggest driver is energy costs and we also have global weather events that have had an effect. Both those happen regardless of membership or not of the EU. Globally inflation has hit everyone.

I’ve no issue in debating brexit but it’s rarely if ever an honest debate on here and that’s not me having a go at you mate, it’s just my observation.
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I would debate with you in this regard, but I generally stay out of the GB domestic situation because I just don’t know what day to day differences you are seeing.
I see it as your own business after all. It was a decision you made and you are dealing with it one way or another.

The North does interest me however and although there’s others living there who could offer better understanding of the day to day situation, I do I feel I have an opinion to offer that may have some relevance overall.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
That sort of contempt for the Democratic vote can cause resentment alright.

In the interest of peace and a brighter future I’ll suppress the urge to go off on one about how this country was partitioned in the first place.

I remember you on the debate prior to your referendum vote @blueinsa and my recollection is you were always cordial and respectful of my point of view regarding what would happen up north.
I keep popping in here however, awaiting the return of @mcfc1632 or whatever he was called, who didn’t necessarily disagree with my summation of what could likely happen, but was quite willing to take that risk. In other words he didn’t give a shot about the north and I suspect he wasn’t alone there.
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The will of the people of the Island of Ireland will decide its future and rightly so.

As a unionist it’s pretty hard to accept that the only grown ups in the room politically in NI right now seem to be Sinn Fein and the way the new first minister conducted herself on behalf of everyone recently was magnificent I don’t mind admitting.

I can fully understand why they are doing so well domestically.
 
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