How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[TinFoilHat]

 

[lloydie]

Cameron thought he was being smart, never in his wildest dreams did he think the Leave vote would win. Had things gone as planned it would have smoothed the euro waters for a decade, however......

I've never been convinced the pigfucker & Gideon weren't closet Brexiteers...

 

[Saddleworth2]

This is where the debate falls down.

Has brexit had an effect on food price inflation? No doubt. Is it the primary source? Definitely not.

Biggest driver is energy costs and we also have global weather events that have had an effect. Both those happen regardless of membership or not of the EU. Globally inflation has hit everyone.

I’ve no issue in debating brexit but it’s rarely if ever an honest debate on here and that’s not me having a go at you mate, it’s just my observation.

It accounts for 33% of food inflation. That’s a pretty large driver. Who knows how much worse our food security gets.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I've never been convinced the pigfucker & Gideon weren't closet Brexiteers...

Their campaign really was that bad.

 

[johnnytapia]

We can learn a lot from Terri Hooley.

 

[blueinsa]

It accounts for 33% of food inflation. That’s a pretty large driver. Who knows how much worse our food security gets.

I’ve not seen any figure but brexit was seven years ago and we have only seen the excessive food inflation since the Russian invasion and the global inflationary crises.

I accept it played it’s part, I won’t accept it being used as either the only reason or the biggest either because that’s just not true.

Edit. Just seen figures that back up your 33% claim mate.

 

[Saddleworth2]

I’ve not seen any figure but brexit was seven years ago and we have only seen the excessive food inflation since the Russian invasion and the global inflationary crises.

I accept it played it’s part, I won’t accept it being used as either the only reason or the biggest either because that’s just not true.

Edit. Just seen figures that back up your 33% claim mate.

For me Brexit was a sliding doors moment that will define our future and leave the future we could have had (at the heart of Europe) in the bin. We are diminished and shrinking fast. Instead of being outward looking, progressive, a caring society we see enemies everywhere. Some poor buggers managed to get here from war torn country A, fuck em and send them to Rwanda.

I don’t see Brexit as an event that happened and it’s in the past. Every day it helps define our increasingly depressing future. Why else would I give my support to those loonies in the SNP ;-)

 

[Grassland Blue]

My opinion fwiw is this.
Brexit has happened and we in the U.K., brexiters or remainers, have to put our differences to one side and join together in trying to make the most of it.
I would like to see an FTA, but wouldn't the U.K. have to now abide fully by E.U. rules and regs without complaint?
(There is an obvious jibe here, but I won't use it in order to maintain some decorum.)

 

[Vic]

So the gvmt will relax the rules on overseas workers employed on the boats! That’s only half the issue. My wife’s family in Cornwall can’t find any locals willing to work in the fish/ shellfish processing unit they run. No suprise coz it’s filthy hard work in freezing conditions. It used to be staffed with Polish labour who were brilliant and loyal, returning year after year.
The UK has a tiny fishing fleet. This is yet another political flag wave.
Maybe the gvmt could also comment on the paperwork which has become a full time job for two people.

We couldn't get enough Brits to work on boats before the referendum.

 

[Vic]

Terrible decision to leave and had we voted to remain I would have been over my leave vote in a matter of minutes and I’ve stated I would vote to rejoin in a heartbeat given the chance, although that now seems increasingly unlikely.

What I won’t ever apologise for though and it was a real dig your heels in moment for me was the attempts to ignore what 17 million said and to just remain despite the result. At that point we had to leave, regardless and I’m glad we did if for no other reason than those who as I saw it, who wished to subvert a democratic vote and voices of millions got told to fucking do one.

To this day, that’s the real beef and arguments still for the majority. Not leaving, not the vote, it’s the fall out and the arguments that followed when it became all out war between those who said we have to respect the vote and those who didn’t want to.

No-one ignored it.

What was ignored was that it was a slim majority and no-one had voted for the hard Brexit that the nutters have foisted on us.

 

[Vic]

I was talking how some on here see it not what actually happened. I know plenty who disagreed with the result but haven't got anywhere near the obsessive behaviour as some on here.

It not only carries on in this thread day in day out year after year but also infects other parts of the forum.

Because it's the cause of societal division, and has tanked the economy.

 

[Vic]

No other subject that anyone has felt bitter about goes on and on like this. The US shootings thread maybe but that’s because they continue to happen. The Brexit vote was seven years ago and we’re not going back

That's the problem. That's why it's left a bitter feeling. We can't "move on" because Brexit is always with us.

 

[Saddleworth2]

No-one ignored it.

What was ignored was that it was a slim majority and no-one had voted for the hard Brexit that the nutters have foisted on us.

but its democracy mate.

 

[west didsblue]

My opinion fwiw is this.
Brexit has happened and we in the U.K., brexiters or remainers, have to put our differences to one side and join together in trying to make the most of it.
I would like to see an FTA, but wouldn't the U.K. have to now abide fully by E.U. rules and regs without complaint?
(There is an obvious jibe here, but I won't use it in order to maintain some decorum.)

We’ve got an FTA. The problem is that it’s a bare bones FTA that does little to ease the flow of trade. We needed a much more comprehensive agreement covering customs and standards in order to maintain trade at somewhere approaching previous levels with minimal delays and paperwork. It was never going to be better than being in the Single Market and Customs Union but it didn’t need to be as poor as it is.

 

[Grassland Blue]

We’ve got an FTA. The problem is that it’s a bare bones FTA that does little to ease the flow of trade. We needed a much more comprehensive agreement covering customs and standards in order to maintain trade at somewhere approaching previous levels with minimal delays and paperwork. It was never going to be better than being in the Single Market and Customs Union but it didn’t need to be as poor as it is.

I bow to your superior knowledge and understanding.
The FTA we do have is obvs. so poor that I didn't realise that we even had one!
The U.K. is possibly in a worse position than it would have been if we didn't have this 'bare bones' FTA!
So where do we go from here?

 

[blueinsa]

I bow to your superior knowledge and understanding.
The FTA we do have is obvs. so poor that I didn't realise that we even had one!
The U.K. is possibly in a worse position than it would have been if we didn't have this 'bare bones' FTA!
So where do we go from here?

We rejoin the single market as a bare minimum is where we should go but we won’t sadly.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If we had stayed, could you imagine how loud and outraged Farage and co would be right now ? economy would still be down due to other factors, covid/russia etc and they'd be screaming from the rooftops that if only we left the EU everything would be better, more and more people would eventually lap it up - It's this that makes me think we was always going to have a referendum sooner or later.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

No other subject that anyone has felt bitter about goes on and on like this. The US shootings thread maybe but that’s because they continue to happen. The Brexit vote was seven years ago and we’re not going back

I think most people have moved on, but you have to admire the tenacity of those that have spent seven years of their lives (and counting) ranting to themselves on the internet.
There has to be some counterbalance to the madness of farage and mogg and this is it.

 

[Gremlin]

No-one ignored it.

What was ignored was that it was a slim majority and no-one had voted for the hard Brexit that the nutters have foisted on us.

I don't think it's true to say nobody voted for a hard Brexit but some voted for that, some for a soft Brexit (Norway type deal), some for other types that may be hybrids. However, the problem was that the type of Brexit wasn't on the ballot paper - it just said Brexit and it was up to the voter to decide what that meant. Hence, it was inevitable that some of those who voted for it would feel 'betrayed' but that was never discussed before the vote. Another reason why complex issues are rarely solved by simple yes/no votes.

 

[Saddleworth2]

more and more people would eventually lap it up

And there is our problem. Can’t really blame them I suppose when bile and poison is dripped in their collective ear every day. The question I would pose is why is it primarily an English problem though rather than one that is consistent throughout the four nations?