How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

RabidCity said:
it's the sense of national identification that patriotism brings which doesn't align with being dictated to by the EU on law. I don't mind it to be honest.
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Did you really not identify as British because we were in the EU?

Patriotism doesn't precede national identification. You can't decide to be a patriot without knowing which nation you identify with.
 
bluethrunthru said:
supplementary question - name 3 laws imposed on the UK AGAINST OUR WILL as a member state .......................................

No I thought not
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These are laws we can't change without prior agreement with the EU. This slows down change when it's needed.
 
Vic said:
Did you really not identify as British because we were in the EU?

Patriotism doesn't precede national identification. You can't decide to be a patriot without knowing which nation you identify with.
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I voted remain, I just can understand why a trade relationship turned political alignment doesn't sit well with the older generation.
 
RabidCity said:
These are laws we can't change without prior agreement with the EU. This slows down change when it's needed.
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thats an answer to a question I didn't ask and as usual is an evasive answer from Brexiteers who cannot quote laws that were "imposed" on GB
 
Vic said:
Did you really not identify as British because we were in the EU?

Patriotism doesn't precede national identification. You can't decide to be a patriot without knowing which nation you identify with.
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It's funny this...I mean startlingly funny...
When I ask my European friends (mainly Spanish) if they ever felt a loss of sovereignty or sense of national identity being in the E.U they laugh at me and say "hell no!"
Only little fucking Englanders seemingly have this trait
 
Good Lord - Frosty the Showman is so thick he makes speeches about the thing that is not supposed to be said out loud

 
blueinsa said:
No one has claimed it as a victory, no one.

Like I said, had this been bad news we would have had page after page of numpties using it to suit their own narratives but balance and this forum don’t mix sadly.

Despite post after post telling us the car industry here was dead and every manufacturer would leave, it isn’t and they haven’t.

All we have had is the usual with their “yeah but….”

Balance.
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Its impossible to debate with the brexit boys on this thread!

I thought you would have realised that by now?
 
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blueinsa said:
No one has claimed it as a victory, no one.

Like I said, had this been bad news we would have had page after page of numpties using it to suit their own narratives but balance and this forum don’t mix sadly.

Despite post after post telling us the car industry here was dead and every manufacturer would leave, it isn’t and they haven’t.

All we have had is the usual with their “yeah but….”

Balance.
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Where are all of those posts? No one said it would be the end of the motor industry in the UK, just that it would be harder to trade and keep the supply lines running. This has proved to be the case. But it has to be stated that government aid is being given to large, big profit generating manufacturers like BMW and Nissan to encourage them to stay. Maybe you think it sensible to do that, and indirectly boost the profits of foreign companies and their shareholders and at the same time help to lessen the effects of the Brexit outcome.
 
hampshireblue said:
Where are all of those posts? No one said it would be the end of the motor industry in the UK, just that it would be harder to trade and keep the supply lines running. This has proved to be the case. But it has to be stated that government aid is being given to large, big profit generating manufacturers like BMW and Nissan to encourage them to stay. Maybe you think it sensible to do that, and indirectly boost the profits of foreign companies and their shareholders and at the same time help to lessen the effects of the Brexit outcome.
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Underlying it all is the lying.

Then the whole nonsense about doing "free trade deals" with all and sundry - without the EU constraints on state aid (though how they get round our own UK law on state aid beats me).
 
I’ll attempt one more time and then I’m out of here.

Leave aside the Brexit Mess part of the thread title. The underlying meaning of the thread from my understanding or reading of it would be, looking for suggestions on how to progress you country.
If your reading of that is how to limit the damage you perceive, great. I’m interested to hear.

If your perception is that you believe it was the right decision but the wrong implementation. Great. I still want to hear your suggestions on how to move forward.

If you regret having voted for it as some have bravely admitted in here, then don’t just tell me why you’re wasting your time in an echo chamber. What would you like to happen, moving forward and what kind of timeline do you see.

Same goes for remainers. Don’t tell me I’m wasting my time as the other side won’t give you answers. Tell if you see a way forward for you all. At the end of the day whether you like it or not, you’re in this together, no matter who you perceive got you there. And some seem to feel ‘there’ isn’t as bad as you make out.

I don’t know but I’m genuinely interested. Ultimately whatever you lot do, does affect us which gives me an added interest.

This is my last effort to steer this debate in that direction.
If you think, fuck you, it’s none of your business. Fine. Tell me to fuck off and I’ll fuck off.

Im a Dub after all. We’d choose righteous indignation over contentment any day of the week.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
If you regret having voted for it as some have bravely admitted in here, then don’t just tell me why you’re wasting your time in an echo chamber. What would you like to happen, moving forward and what kind of timeline do you see.
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Great post.

I would vote for the party that would rejoin at the first opportunity and I would accept all conditions of rejoining.

Better in than out and leaving was a huge mistake.

Sadly, it seems no politicians are interested in rejoining.
 
blueinsa said:
Great post.

I would vote for the party that would rejoin at the first opportunity and I would accept all conditions of rejoining.

Better in than out and leaving was a huge mistake.

Sadly, it seems no politicians are interested in rejoining.
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Thank you.
Now it’s probably more down to me than yourself @blueinsa but I had not picked that up from you prior to now.
I knew you had regrets and saw through the lies etc., but that is very interesting to read, indeed.

Do you think any party will actually have rejoin in their manifesto though. It’s been pointed out that Labour won’t, but could you see that swing that way in the future if they got in with a large majority.
 
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