How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Once the war in Ukraine is over, just sit back and watch the EU implode. No agreement on defence, immigration, debt.
Note the young people of Europe are revolting against the EU immigration policy.
 
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To be fair people need to get over this EU stuff, even if we rejoined we are joining with the strictest contros and it won't be what we had.

romanticising that we would be welcomed with open arms and all would be as it was is stupid
 
urban genie said:
yeah but many think we would just waltz in and all would be the same, so if any party doesn't commit to it then they are cunts, unfortunately it isn't that simple now we left.
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Of course not, that's the sort of exceptionalist bravado and bollocks that enabled Brexit to happen.

But that's what I meant when I said it would be better because the conditions attached on rejoining would make leaving again completely unviable.
 
Postman Pep said:
Quiet in here ;-)

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I think that is a realistic and practical approach by Labour. It is utterly inconceivable we could rejoin in the next Parliament for a host of reasons, not least because we wouldn’t be granted it by all the member states. It would also be utterly divisive even if moves were made towards it without it being in the manifesto or being put to the people in any way. So it isn’t happening. Full stop.

So why complicate things unnecessarily?
 
KS55 said:
Once the war in Ukraine is over, just sit back and watch the EU implode. No agreement on defence, immigration, debt.
Note the young people of Europe are revolting against the EU immigration policy.
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People have been talking about the EU imploding for decades, especially in the lead up to the referendum. It might evolve, it might recalibrate, but it isn’t going anywhere. The chaos caused by our exit, in both practical and economic terms, will reinforce that.
 
bluethrunthru said:
well there's a thing - do they not know we control our borders and demand that they come here?

www.theguardian.com

Dutch lorry drivers could stop bringing goods to UK if post-Brexit delays not cut

Dutch hauliers say facilities at border posts where some trucks are held for up to 20 hours are inadequate
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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This may be silly, but couldn’t we solve this problem if we had…say…some kind of agreement with our nearest trading partners where we all agree to certain rules and regulations and conditions on trade so we can free up borders and have goods come straight off the ferry and straight to their destination, without huge amounts of paperwork and inspections.
We could call it something like union of Europe traders, or similar.
Crazy, I know!
 
This is just childish. Can't own a problem of their own making accept they fucked up and use the system to try and get what they want then throw a blob strop - this is proper going in and taking their ball with them territory - by giving the interview the reveal and accept they were conned so use the tools you have to fix it you wallies

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Devon and Cornwall fishermen feel disillusioned after Brexit

Fishermen in Devon and Cornwall say the reality of Brexit is different to what was promised.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is just childish. Can't own a problem of their own making accept they fucked up and use the system to try and get what they want then throw a blob strop - this is proper going in and taking their ball with them territory - by giving the interview the reveal and accept they were conned so use the tools you have to fix it you wallies

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Devon and Cornwall fishermen feel disillusioned after Brexit

Fishermen in Devon and Cornwall say the reality of Brexit is different to what was promised.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Do their boat engines still run on leaded fuel?
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is just childish. Can't own a problem of their own making accept they fucked up and use the system to try and get what they want then throw a blob strop - this is proper going in and taking their ball with them territory - by giving the interview the reveal and accept they were conned so use the tools you have to fix it you wallies

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Devon and Cornwall fishermen feel disillusioned after Brexit

Fishermen in Devon and Cornwall say the reality of Brexit is different to what was promised.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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"I’m giving Boris Johnson the benefit of the doubt – I’m assuming he wasn't aware of all these costs, of all the complications, which have got no better.”

I wonder what doubt he’s giving Johnson the benefit of?
Is he not asking himself why Johnson didn’t make it his business to understand the complexities before agreeing a shit deal?
Some people get what they deserve.
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is just childish. Can't own a problem of their own making accept they fucked up and use the system to try and get what they want then throw a blob strop - this is proper going in and taking their ball with them territory - by giving the interview the reveal and accept they were conned so use the tools you have to fix it you wallies

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Devon and Cornwall fishermen feel disillusioned after Brexit

Fishermen in Devon and Cornwall say the reality of Brexit is different to what was promised.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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And what do they think of Brexit maestro Farage? Would he get a free pass like the last bizarre comment:

Speaking of the Leave campaign's pledges, "Well we’ve obviously realised now that they didn’t have a clue. I’m giving Boris Johnson the benefit of the doubt – I’m assuming he wasn't aware of all these costs, of all the complications, which have got no better."
 
Vic said:
And what do they think of Brexit maestro Farage? Would he get a free pass like the last bizarre comment:

Speaking of the Leave campaign's pledges, "Well we’ve obviously realised now that they didn’t have a clue. I’m giving Boris Johnson the benefit of the doubt – I’m assuming he wasn't aware of all these costs, of all the complications, which have got no better."
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and his argument leads you on to ask what does he think of Johnsons oven ready deal?
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is just childish. Can't own a problem of their own making accept they fucked up and use the system to try and get what they want then throw a blob strop - this is proper going in and taking their ball with them territory - by giving the interview the reveal and accept they were conned so use the tools you have to fix it you wallies

www.bbc.co.uk

Why Devon and Cornwall fishermen feel disillusioned after Brexit

Fishermen in Devon and Cornwall say the reality of Brexit is different to what was promised.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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‘Fish exporter Ian Perkes, in Brixham, Devon, said he voted for Brexit but was not told of the changes it would involve.’

Oh, how I laughed, and laughed and laughed.
 
BobKowalski said:
‘Fish exporter Ian Perkes, in Brixham, Devon, said he voted for Brexit but was not told of the changes it would involve.’

Oh, how I laughed, and laughed and laughed.
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I know I read through it and thought "every single complaint they have was told to them but all they did was shout back Project Fear" I really don't care about them, their businesses - anything - there is no cure for stupid and they are finding out the hard way
 
west didsblue said:
"I’m giving Boris Johnson the benefit of the doubt – I’m assuming he wasn't aware of all these costs, of all the complications, which have got no better.”

I wonder what doubt he’s giving Johnson the benefit of?
Is he not asking himself why Johnson didn’t make it his business to understand the complexities before agreeing a shit deal?
Some people get what they deserve.
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Stupid ****.
 
Johnson was an extreme example of a type I knew at work. Broadbrush guys with no interest in details, even key details.

To a point, as a top boss, you have to be like that. But - and it's a very big but - you need capable people below you who do understand and work on detail. They need to keep you informed on any crucial issues and indeed to understand what crucial issues are. Say for example politically sensitive stuff. And you have to have the wit to listen to them and modify your broad-brush plan if applicable.

And, ultimately, if it all fucks up, the boss is responsible even if it's the team that has proved inadequate.

I suspect that apart from anything else Johnson was a shit boss who didn't give a fuck. And that's unforgivable, especially at so high a level.
 
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