How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I'm not sure I agree with arbitrary removal of voting rights because the folk concerned won't vote for the outcome you like - it's just a little bit Hitler-ish for me.
I do agree we'll be back in in a few years though in some form.
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We should have used the EFTA route (similar to Norway) once the decision was taken to leave. That may be the future outcome.
 
KS55 said:
We should have used the EFTA route (similar to Norway) once the decision was taken to leave. That may be the future outcome.
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I think you are right, the problem was the 'debate' was so polarised and spiteful and the potential outcomes became likewise. Everyone in our parliament was claiming they were after a reasonable deal, but I believe it came down to one side trying to get the hardest brexit possible, and the other being duplicitous and seeking to stop it altogether. May probably did her best to get a decent compromise, but fell foul of the old adage about trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one. Boris jumped in stuck his fat finger in the wind and guessed he could 'get it done' etc.
I do recall options like EFTA being on the table in 2016, but in the end I think the EU understandably got the hump.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think you are right, the problem was the 'debate' was so polarised and spiteful and the potential outcomes became likewise. Everyone in our parliament was claiming they were after a reasonable deal, but I believe it came down to one side trying to get the hardest brexit possible, and the other being duplicitous and seeking to stop it altogether. May probably did her best to get a decent compromise, but fell foul of the old adage about trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one. Boris jumped in stuck his fat finger in the wind and guessed he could 'get it done' etc.
I do recall options like EFTA being on the table in 2016, but in the end I think the EU understandably got the hump.
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How many would take EFTA membership today, I ask myself.

Could have sorted this six years ago but reasoned debate was never on the cards, just vitriolic verbiage.
 
Metal Biker said:
How many would take EFTA membership today, I ask myself.

Could have sorted this six years ago but reasoned debate was never on the cards, just vitriolic verbiage.
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And that vitriol continues to this day: brexiteers being characterised as stupid, old, racist etc. A poster on this thread suggesting that people who voted for brexit should be
disenfranchised. On the other side, Brexiteers in the Tory party are plotting against the PM and attacking the Chancellor, demanding tax cuts. You wouldn’t know that the Chancellor has set up a team to identify areas where EU rules are holding back development of certain industries and to plan regulatory changes. Additionally of course remainers ascribing every ill to Brexit in a far fetched manner. It really is time for a more calm and sensible approach.
 
So it's still the alternative history fantasy land of EFTA people hope for.

Gosh, do you think maybe it was never a viable alternative?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I think you are right, the problem was the 'debate' was so polarised and spiteful and the potential outcomes became likewise. Everyone in our parliament was claiming they were after a reasonable deal, but I believe it came down to one side trying to get the hardest brexit possible, and the other being duplicitous and seeking to stop it altogether. May probably did her best to get a decent compromise, but fell foul of the old adage about trying to please everyone and ending up pleasing no one. Boris jumped in stuck his fat finger in the wind and guessed he could 'get it done' etc.
I do recall options like EFTA being on the table in 2016, but in the end I think the EU understandably got the hump.
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Was May really trying to please everyone? I seem to remember the discussion at the time was about how she was most invested in pleasing the Tory party, so had to find a deal that could pass parliament with all (or at least, most members of all the main factions) of the parliamentary Tory party. Maybe if she had gone for a "softer" Brexit (staying in the customs union, etc) it could have passed with a cross-party vote as a compromise position. But just like for her predecessor Cameron, the most important thing was always keeping the Tory party together and keeping it in power.
 
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