How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

NPBlue said:
I don't know about Mick Lynch. He promoted leave, which to my mind was at odds with what membership of the EU gave us with regards to safeguarding employment, consumer and environmental protections.

I'd been saying it for years, that our membership of the EU protected us from the worst excesses of the extreme right, which the tories always detested of course.

I don't know why he supported leave, but for me he called it wrong. Why a Union leader would promote a campaign financed by billionaires wanting to keep their off shore bank account details secret and didn't hide their disdain about our supposedly undeserved rights as employees is beyond my comprehension.

Brexit is a disaster, it is fuelling inflation, a declining economy, and if he is leading a fightback for the working class, then I have to say he should have had a deeper think about what the referendum was about.

Didn't the head of Unite support brexit as well?

I don't know or understand why?
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Weren’t they just older people following Corbyn’s lead?
 
Postman Pep said:
Counterpoint. The failure to get a 'soft brexit' was not down to the ERG and the ERG alone. There were fanatics on both sides of the divide.

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The Obsessive Remainers Have Scored a Massive Own Goal

For the last three years, second-referendum campaigners heaped blame on Jeremy Corbyn for his alleged role in “facilitating” Brexit. Yet their determined efforts to torpedo his leadership destroyed any chance of a compromise solution — and made the hardest of hard Brexits inevitable.
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Er - not really.

The minute Theresa May came out with her 'red lines' there was no longer any path to a soft Brexit short of changing the government. Remember the line about controlling our borders, our money and our laws? That meant no sensible arrangement was possible from that moment.

Naturally, Brexit supporters, having failed to get the Brexit of their fantasy, are keen to pass the blame on to anyone and everyone, but especially those who opposed this insanity from Day One. The only people to blame for the Brexit we have are those who voted for Brexit, and (maybe) those who couldn't be bothered to vote at all. They empowered fanatics and incompetents, and we are all suffering as a result. This is where flag-shagging nationalism and xenophobia lead a nation - into isolation and decline.
 
NPBlue said:
I don't know about Mick Lynch. He promoted leave, which to my mind was at odds with what membership of the EU gave us with regards to safeguarding employment, consumer and environmental protections.

I'd been saying it for years, that our membership of the EU protected us from the worst excesses of the extreme right, which the tories always detested of course.

I don't know why he supported leave, but for me he called it wrong. Why a Union leader would promote a campaign financed by billionaires wanting to keep their off shore bank account details secret and didn't hide their disdain about our supposedly undeserved rights as employees is beyond my comprehension.

Brexit is a disaster, it is fuelling inflation, a declining economy, and if he is leading a fightback for the working class, then I have to say he should have had a deeper think about what the referendum was about.

Didn't the head of Unite support brexit as well?

I don't know or understand why?
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A lot of left-wing people (like Corbyn) had always seen the EU as a capitalist construct, because the emphasis was on trade and economic benefits, and hence viewed it with suspicion. Seems to have been a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater if they wanted to create a socialist utopia free from the capitalist leanings of the EU but lost the worker rights as a result.
 
NPBlue said:
I don't know about Mick Lynch. He promoted leave, which to my mind was at odds with what membership of the EU gave us with regards to safeguarding employment, consumer and environmental protections.

I'd been saying it for years, that our membership of the EU protected us from the worst excesses of the extreme right, which the tories always detested of course.

I don't know why he supported leave, but for me he called it wrong. Why a Union leader would promote a campaign financed by billionaires wanting to keep their off shore bank account details secret and didn't hide their disdain about our supposedly undeserved rights as employees is beyond my comprehension.

Brexit is a disaster, it is fuelling inflation, a declining economy, and if he is leading a fightback for the working class, then I have to say he should have had a deeper think about what the referendum was about.

Didn't the head of Unite support brexit as well?

I don't know or understand why?
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Perhaps they believed Liar Johnson that immigrant labour depressed wages.
 
Gremlin said:
A lot of left-wing people (like Corbyn) had always seen the EU as a capitalist construct, because the emphasis was on trade and economic benefits, and hence viewed it with suspicion. Seems to have been a case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater if they wanted to create a socialist utopia free from the capitalist leanings of the EU but lost the worker rights as a result.
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Interesting theory, also some of the left saw the EU as an affront to democracy....
labourheartlands.com

Tony Benn - Britain Must Leave The EU To Restore Democracy - Labour Heartlands

At 11 p.m. on Friday — midnight in Brussels, Britain will officially depart from the European Union, 1,317 days after voting in favour of leaving the bloc in
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Jamshopbridge said:
Interesting theory, also some of the left saw the EU as an affront to democracy....
labourheartlands.com

Tony Benn - Britain Must Leave The EU To Restore Democracy - Labour Heartlands

At 11 p.m. on Friday — midnight in Brussels, Britain will officially depart from the European Union, 1,317 days after voting in favour of leaving the bloc in
labourheartlands.com labourheartlands.com
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There were plenty on the left who wanted out of the EU, doesn’t mean that they weren’t bad people.

Speaking to a younger member at the time, he said he was voting for Brexit because his parents were. His parents were/are on minimum wage and it seemed strange to me that they would want something that could hurt them. Then you realise that it’s all a matter of education and although this lad was on his way, he had no clue how the EU worked.
 
bluethrunthru said:
do the Govt understand that is you want to halve inflation you don't increase costs

www.talkingretail.com

Planned post-Brexit border charges could raise food prices further

Post-Brexit border charges due to be introduced next January could impact UK consumers higher food prices and supply chain disruption, warns UK food and
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People voted to be poorer.

The people who voted that way should not complain if they are poorer. They said it was 'worth it'. Sadly, many now have faulty memories.

It's like voting for a socialist republic and then moaning that there's no royal family.
 
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